do you think humanity is worth saving?

[parson]

still not believing in a soul is along the lines of flat earth. i understand it though since i've stood on both sides of the fence and feverishly debated it all.

[soulshynchyld]

but its the definition of a soul that no-one can decide.

to me a soul is not a singular consciousness. it is the 5th element. it is the lifeforce given to an energy creating mass(all mass is energy, but life force/energy belongs only to the "energy creating/living". it drives our dna. our dna is the collective knowledge of our ancestors. life energy never dies, & never belongs to any one thing. you can give away & steal it..... this is what causes depression/elation.
enlightenment is when you are fully able to control life force/energy. "total manipulation"

thats just my own personal belief system, quite alot more to it... but i cant be fukd writing my thoughts as they are so disjoined & scrambled! chea

[cosmic_surgeon]

@Parsons: state your proof (and definition) of a soul, because as far as neurologists and many philosophers of mind are concerned, the notion is troublesome. By coupling the idea of not believing in a soul with a flat Earth, you associate the argument with (scientific) absurdity, and don't really made any effort to prove it - that's sophistry, not debate.

If we can agree on a definition of a soul, then we can have a debate.

[parson]

now that we're at the end of the time and the secrets of the mystery schools are widely available on the internet and half-price books, we know that it has been the mystics who have been runnin' shit the whole time. if you don't wanna recognize, go ahead, but don't expect to be taken seriously for much longer.

[cosmic_surgeon]

And that's how you defuse serious questions and demands for proof? Rofl, no offense mate, but if you're not gonna play the game then don't expect people to listen to you.

[alien pimp]

the reasons WHY for the systematic coverup are debateable. just know that there is a systematic coverup. there just is.

aww cmon i'm trying to have a decent conversation, asking questions i genuinely would like to know the answers to, and you hit me with 'there just is'!?

you're new here, aren't you?

Again, provide hard evidence for this?

i'll grow a mustache when parson really answers this question

@Parsons: state your proof (and definition)

now that we're at the end of the time and the secrets of the mystery schools are widely available on the internet and half-price books, we know that it has been the mystics who have been runnin' shit the whole time. if you don't wanna recognize, go ahead, but don't expect to be taken seriously for much longer.

the only reasons we keep debating so much here is because people never learn

[nousd]

My soul is a relationship
which I conceptualize as the flow in a conduit,
attached at this end to my individualized, time-constrained consciousness.
The other end does not exist beyond the point
at which I am no longer differentiated from you.

[DRTY]

you can't prove the existence of other minds.

To me consciousness is a collection of nerves in your brain. Not a life force or soul. And DNA is basically 'life', replicating itself through time, we (people) are just one of it's carriers.

[64hz]

you can't prove the existence of other minds.

To me consciousness is a collection of nerves in your brain. Not a life force or soul. And DNA is basically 'life', replicating itself through time, we (people) are just one of it's carriers.

yup. selfish gene shit. we aren't even the best at it though

[cosmic_surgeon]

you can't prove the existence of other minds.

To me consciousness is a collection of nerves in your brain. Not a life force or soul. And DNA is basically 'life', replicating itself through time, we (people) are just one of it's carriers.

If you hold that brain states are logically equivalent to mental states (as you have stated you do) then the problem of other minds is no longer a problem. I like Sartre/Wittgenstein's intersubjective approach to other minds. Sartre sees us as bodies (including brains) and so when we interact with others, we are directly experiencing the physical system of which the brain (and thus the phenomena some people asbribe to mind) is a part. Wittgenstein asks you to really consider, given the context in which your experience is given meaning, the extent to which you can deny that a man crying out in agony is not pain in broadly the same sense in which you yourself experience it.

The problem of other minds is only tricky if you think that minds are something over and above the neurobiological processes which occur in the brain. And given the sweeping correlation of states such as pain, fear etc with a corresponding brain state, positing the existence of anything over and above the biological organism is in violation of Occam's razor.

[Dead Rats]

People suck, and that's my contention. I can prove it on a scratch paper and pen. Give me a fucking Etch-a-sketch, I'll do it in three minutes. The proof, the fact, the factorum. I'll show my work, case closed. I'm tired of this back-slapping "Aren't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are.

[mc wayne]

i've just ordered this t shirt



lookin' foward to wearing it everywhere.

[parson]

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

i've just ordered this t shirt



lookin' foward to wearing it everywhere.

WOW! Vegetarian clothing!

[nousd]

people hater
infers self-hatred

not healthy

otherwise,
its ANZAC day hereabouts:
at worst, occassionally, nationalistic & militaristic,
at best an honouring of sacrifice:

surely, consciously surrendering your life for the benefit of others
cannot be dismissed as deluded
and makes humanity worthy of existence

[hayze99]

Holy fuck; I really wouldn't expect this level of mystical bullshit to be going on in this thread.

Both the Earth and Humanity don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Yes, the Earth is beautiful and wondrous, but it's far from unique. There are countless planets out there, more beautiful and complex than the Earth, or than we could possibly imagine. Every millisecond thousands of these are being torn to shreds by meteorites, blown away in supernovae or sucked into blackholes. A small percentage of them, perhaps, could contain basic life, or even sentient life.

The false sense of importance of our particular rock is ridiculous. Once again, the only thing that is important about the Earth, is that it contains the species of which your consciousness happens to be a part of. Apart from that, it's just another fleck of dust under the universal carpet.

Damn I'm high.

[bolsty]

people hater
infers self-hatred

not healthy

otherwise,
its ANZAC day hereabouts:
at worst, occassionally, nationalistic & militaristic,
at best an honouring of sacrifice:

surely, consciously surrendering your life for the benefit of others
cannot be dismissed as deluded
and makes humanity worthy of existence

I would never die for my country, or state, or city or the likes. This may sound selfish, but self interest should come first, because once you're dead.. you're dead. You may feel good you've done something for your country and others, but hangon a second.. YOU'RE DEAD, so you don't have any feeling. I see ANZAC day as a day to respect those who died, i know the significance of the wars and their resulting in the way we live freely today. BUT, i hate the nationalistic bullshit that comes out of it, it should be a day we realise that war is fucking horrible, and for most part doesn't take place for the right reasons (look at Iraq for fuck sakes, deaths that were/are so unecessary).

Can't dispute the worth of ANZAC biscuits however.

[soulshynchyld]

anzac day to me...... the commemoration of the valiant efforts of oz & nz soldiers who where intended by the british to be used as fodder in a strategic battle that we should never have survived!! it was also the first time that maori were treated as equals to their european counterparts. this day shows teaches us the woes of war. in those days both sides respected each other, as they were just pawns for their countrys. im proud to come from nz.... seems we have less racism & drama than the rest of the world. chea

[alien pimp]

anzac day to me...... the commemoration of the valiant efforts of oz & nz soldiers who where intended by the british to be used as fodder in a strategic battle that we should never have survived!! it was also the first time that maori were treated as equals to their european counterparts. this day shows teaches us the woes of war. in those days both sides respected each other, as they were just pawns for their countrys. im proud to come from nz.... seems we have less racism & drama than the rest of the world. chea

good vibez!
was just thinking earlier i wish you weren't in the commonwealth so i move there... i might anyway

[soulshynchyld]

lol.... the commonwealth means nothing to most nzers. where are ya from?