emo

[Littlefoot]

ok so what defines "hardcore" seeing as to me hardcore = hoovers, pianos, breakbeats and sub.

is it just punk? or whats the diff from punk? (except the obvious lack of mohicans)

hardcore came out of punk in the early 80's. it had a more aggressive and nihilistic approach than the uk punkrock of the late 70's. this is a good documentary about its early days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1ZnFT2qAJU

after the first hardcore wave lots of bands and people couldn't relate to all the violence at shows and within the scene anymore - you could interpret this as hardcore growing older. so besides teenage aggression there was adolescent melancholy mixed into the sound and the first "emo" band doing so was "rites of spring" in 1985.

in the early 90s the sound started getting more extreme: "emo" referred more to total despair than some sort of melancholity. people started screaming their vocals, the sound reflected this disruption of the individual around these times = "screamo".

the last "emo/screamo" band that totally blew me away was "orchid" - total mayhem back then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSdSInnE ... 2B&index=1

after that everything was over for me and today bands I've never heard of are labelled "emo" and are just some stupid lame metalcore-crap with a melodic refrain...

well, my 2 cents

REFLUX, I am as jaded as the next emo fan, and yeah Orchid kicked total ass.

But there are some modern bands you should really check out.

There is a big of a (very small) resurgance of "proper emo" not Screamo(which was huge in the HC scene when I first got into it). A lot of this stuff is a lot more PUNK and a much of it is influence by more Post Punky jerky rythms.

bands like..

Tubers, Red, Sinaloa, Bullets In and my band What Price, Wonderland? also..

[godflesh fiend]

There is a big of a (very small) resurgance of "proper emo" not Screamo(which was huge in the HC scene when I first got into it). A lot of this stuff is a lot more PUNK and a much of it is influence by more Post Punky jerky rythms.

bands like..

Tubers, Red, Sinaloa, Bullets In and my band What Price, Wonderland? also..

Don't you get a little bit embarrassed when folk ask you what kind of a band you're in and you say "I'm actually in a striaght up Emo band"?

[tomm]

Bullets In

Great band! I picked up Conceive dirt cheap on a rec from a pal. It really didn't disappoint.

There's a great band from down south called Battle of Wölf 359 who are tearing it up lately.

[capo ultra]

There is a big of a (very small) resurgance of "proper emo" not Screamo(which was huge in the HC scene when I first got into it). A lot of this stuff is a lot more PUNK and a much of it is influence by more Post Punky jerky rythms.

bands like..

Tubers, Red, Sinaloa, Bullets In and my band What Price, Wonderland? also..

Don't you get a little bit embarrassed when folk ask you what kind of a band you're in and you say "I'm actually in a striaght up Emo band"?

stupid question

[godflesh fiend]

stupid question

Yeah I'll do that sometimes. I'm still interested in hearing an answer though....I mean I gotta admit I thought this whole thread was going to be a "let's make fun of HIM" type of thread. Then to actually read it and have someone being deadly serious about Emo was kind of off kilter.

[tomm]

That's what makes it almost impossible to talk about Emo and Screamo: the very mention of either and people assume you mean whatever shit the journalists wrongly dubbed as Emo.

It wasn't even so bad when people were fine with calling Jimmy Eat World and Weezer Emo but then came the pop-rock, post-nu-metal brigade and with that people threw Emo around like it was a word meant for anything limp and shitty with guitars charting in the top 40.

And Godflesh Fiend, in case you haven't 'eard it yet: http://www.caldoverderecords.com/Jesu_Deflated.mp3

[godflesh fiend]

And Godflesh Fiend, in case you haven't 'eard it yet: http://www.caldoverderecords.com/Jesu_Deflated.mp3

Awesome! Thanks a bunch mate.

Look what's happening in Edinburgh on Saturday 12th September.....




The 2 night Cocoon Festival @ GRV in Edinburgh starting Saturday 12th of September is going to be a banger!

You can either buy tickets for both nights or just the seperate nights.

The Saturday night price is £12 and can be purchased from the link below which also features all the info about the Festival and bands/artists involved. Once purchased you pick tickets up from the venue on the night.

http://www.itsycollective.org/#/cocoon/4534258776

The other artists sound quite interesting too.

The cool thing about it is the same night is the mighty club night Messenger Sound System @ Bongo Club. So not only do we get Jesu on Saturday night......we also get some devastating Dub Reggae from the mighty Messenger Sound System.

[tomm]

Aye, me and a few friends are definitely gonna come through for both. I've been dying to see Crippled black Phoenix for a long time now & Jesu is always a treat.

[godflesh fiend]

Aye, me and a few friends are definitely gonna come through for both. I've been dying to see Crippled black Phoenix for a long time now & Jesu is always a treat.

Yeah will be fantastic.

If you haven't been to Messenger before I recommend it. Bongo is just down the road from GRV.

Messenger are basically Edinburgh's Mungo's Hi Fi although they don't release records. Superb club night though. Sure you're probably well aware of it anyway.

[tomm]

Yeah, I've been meaning to check Edinburgh out for a while. I have friends of friends out your way that are constantly telling us to come through. It's getting back to Glasgow that's the only problem. Not one for inconveniencing people being all like "here, i'm crashin' at yours!".

[godflesh fiend]

Yeah, I've been meaning to check Edinburgh out for a while. I have friends of friends out your way that are constantly telling us to come through. It's getting back to Glasgow that's the only problem. Not one for inconveniencing people being all like "here, i'm crashin' at yours!".

Hahaha....... yeah I know what you mean.

[Littlefoot]

There is a big of a (very small) resurgance of "proper emo" not Screamo(which was huge in the HC scene when I first got into it). A lot of this stuff is a lot more PUNK and a much of it is influence by more Post Punky jerky rythms.

bands like..

Tubers, Red, Sinaloa, Bullets In and my band What Price, Wonderland? also..

Don't you get a little bit embarrassed when folk ask you what kind of a band you're in and you say "I'm actually in a striaght up Emo band"?

I tell them to listen to us and think whatever the fuck they want.

[joney]

hey cool,
i got the impression being abit younger though.

but well... important impacts on hardcore in my opinion were
the straight edge thing going on... hardcore kids against drugs, ... basically based on minor thread lyrics. if genres would be any important one would call this one
straight edge hardcore: bands:
morning again, earthcrisis, throwdown, final prayer ... (just very few)
during the early 90s rap influenced hardcore = rapcore ... hmm band: downset

hardcore often is political whereas punk died in ´79 ... kidding

"hatebreed" ... hardcore is/was very popular...

well during the late ninetees hardcore got pretty much metal influenced...
metalcore bands: poison the well, as i lay dying, killswitch engaged ...


this is very rough, pardon!

but one fucking great hardcore band is terror,
and theres a lot brutal music out there ..


according to "emo" --- for emotional punk rock ---

the "everything you ever wanted to know about silence" by glassjaw is my reference - im born in 83 i had no chance to get face punched by henry rollins ....

please check this:
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5632532/Gla ... erian_Kiss