Creating music with a computer is not real music

[Sinus Sawtooth]

I play bass guitar, I'm pretty sure its an instrument, I'm pretty good at it.


I've tried two or three times to produce, even on something simple like fruity loops. Still can't.

can you do flea style slaps?

yes.

[feasible_weasel]

its not real music unless its shaped bits of wood,with animal hair on it..

[theedman]

My boss tried telling me this constantly, after she watched the whole goldie thing where he did that classical music composition, i try to get it into her head that theres alot that goes into it but i get back is "yeah but its easy, I
could do it if i wanted"

[bandshell]

its not real music unless its shaped bits of wood,with animal hair on it..

innit.

[Pistonsbeneath]

yeah people are fucking retarded....ultimately if they regard any computer or fx driven process as making it unmusical then rock isn't music either...especially in this heavily engineered era of post production cleaning ala muse & linkin park...those kind of douchebags usually like bands like muse....without the techy computer guy on the buttons it just wouldn't sound anywhere near as big on cd

[Coppola]

yeah people are fucking retarded....ultimately if they regard any computer or fx driven process as making it unmusical then rock isn't music either...especially in this heavily engineered era of post production cleaning ala muse & linkin park...those kind of douchebags usually like bands like muse....without the techy computer guy on the buttons it just wouldn't sound anywhere near as big on cd

So true.

[mondays child]

Good point!

bloody douchebags.

[bass hertz]

In the early/mid 90's there was no shortage of grunge snobs running about downing electronic music. "it's all done with computers.. just programs writing the music... I bet they couldn't play a fucking bongo... blah blah blah"

Let them borrow Aphex Twin CD

=

"my god... how does this guy do this?"
"blue calx brought tears to my eyes"
"I stopped everything I was doing and just listened to the music, staring at the stereo"
"how did you find out about this music"
"I had some friends over and someone stole your cd"
"does this guys do shows?"
but mostly "what kinda of instruments are these?"

[wormcode]

It's funny, I bet a lot of people do think of the playstation type games when they think of making electronic music hehe. Just make fun of him for playing a piece of wood with strings, or bashing on animal skins. Get in the 21st century blud!!1

[corecrimson]

might i add.....guitar kills are worth 200 pts.

[yong]

In the early/mid 90's there was no shortage of grunge snobs running about downing electronic music. "it's all done with computers.. just programs writing the music... I bet they couldn't play a fucking bongo... blah blah blah"

Let them borrow Aphex Twin CD

=

"my god... how does this guy do this?"
"blue calx brought tears to my eyes"
"I stopped everything I was doing and just listened to the music, staring at the stereo"
"how did you find out about this music"
"I had some friends over and someone stole your cd"
"does this guys do shows?"
but mostly "what kinda of instruments are these?"

which cd

[bass hertz]

In the early/mid 90's there was no shortage of grunge snobs running about downing electronic music. "it's all done with computers.. just programs writing the music... I bet they couldn't play a fucking bongo... blah blah blah"

Let them borrow Aphex Twin CD

=

"my god... how does this guy do this?"
"blue calx brought tears to my eyes"
"I stopped everything I was doing and just listened to the music, staring at the stereo"
"how did you find out about this music"
"I had some friends over and someone stole your cd"
"does this guys do shows?"
but mostly "what kinda of instruments are these?"

which cd

shit.... polygon window, rare tamphex headfuck mix, selected amb works, I care because you do, richard d james album, bits and pieces.

I've literally owned 7 or 8 copies of *I care Because you do*. And actually need another.

[slothrop]

IMO 'how hard is it to do' is the wrong way to judge music anyway. You expect someone to say "oh, my tunes sound a bit rubbish, but that's because I've spent 15 years learning to play the guitar with my elbows, ergo I'm better than all the people who use their fingers."

Doing something the hard way purely because it's harder is not the one imo...

yeah, I never understood guitarists doing solo work(wank) like Joe Satriani and Steve Vai

admitted they are very good guitarists but they make shit music

but theres a middle road...

who wants to see a douche run on with power chords for an hour?

Technical skill is worth developing if it lets you make better sounding music, imo. Or if you enjoy it. It doesn't automatically make the music better because more effort went into it. It's just that playing nothing but power chords for an hour, it's a lot harder to make it varied and interesting and expressive than if someone's got a bit of technique. If they could play power chords and sound just as good I'd see no reason for them not to.

I could probably stick together a performance of a Beethoven piano sonata in a couple of days given a score and a good piano sampler and no skill whatsoever, but it'd sound shit compared to someone like Daniel Barenboim who's spent decades learning to get the subtle timings, the dynamics, the sound quality and all that sort of stuff. On the other hand, it'd be shit because it sounds shit compared to the Barenboim recording, not just automatically inferior because I put less effort in...

[the acid never lies]

IMO 'how hard is it to do' is the wrong way to judge music anyway. You expect someone to say "oh, my tunes sound a bit rubbish, but that's because I've spent 15 years learning to play the guitar with my elbows, ergo I'm better than all the people who use their fingers."

Doing something the hard way purely because it's harder is not the one imo...

yeah, I never understood guitarists doing solo work(wank) like Joe Satriani and Steve Vai

admitted they are very good guitarists but they make shit music

but theres a middle road...

who wants to see a douche run on with power chords for an hour?

Technical skill is worth developing if it lets you make better sounding music, imo. Or if you enjoy it. It doesn't automatically make the music better because more effort went into it. It's just that playing nothing but power chords for an hour, it's a lot harder to make it varied and interesting and expressive than if someone's got a bit of technique. If they could play power chords and sound just as good I'd see no reason for them not to.

I could probably stick together a performance of a Beethoven piano sonata in a couple of days given a score and a good piano sampler and no skill whatsoever, but it'd sound shit compared to someone like Daniel Barenboim who's spent decades learning to get the subtle timings, the dynamics, the sound quality and all that sort of stuff. On the other hand, it'd be shit because it sounds shit compared to the Barenboim recording, not just automatically inferior because I put less effort in...

As far as 'technical skill' similar things can be said about electronic music - look at using presets vs. sculpting your own sounds. There's parameters for everything.

[Genevieve]

What strikes me as odd is that people still view electronic music as a 'recent' thing, while it predates rock & roll by 40 years. It even predates jazz, blues, and r&b. Styles that are viewed as the cornerstones of American popular music.

It's funny, as soon as the Beatles added some occasional electronic parts in some songs, they were visionaries, but when a non-rock musicians do it, they're an insult to music.

People always talk about the Beatles' legacy, but their legacy is the reason that 'songwriters are expected to (physically) play their (acoustic or electric) instruments' and all that crap. Barring their music (which I never liked anyway), their legacy had more negative effects than good ones. It created the narrow minded rockism that is running rampant today. o.o

[the acid never lies]

What strikes me as odd is that people still view electronic music as a 'recent' thing, while it predates rock & roll by 40 years. It even predates jazz, blues, and r&b. Styles that are viewed as the cornerstones of American popular music.

It's funny, as soon as the Beatles added some occasional electronic parts in some songs, they were visionaries, but when a non-rock musicians do it, they're an insult to music.

People always talk about the Beatles' legacy, but their legacy is the reason that 'songwriters are expected to (physically) play their (acoustic or electric) instruments' and all that crap. Barring their music (which I never liked anyway), their legacy had more negative effects than good ones. It created the narrow minded rockism that is running rampant today. o.o

You bring up an interesting point - there's often double standards in the rock community as to what electronics are deemed credible and edgy ie. in the context of a rock band it's ok. Forget how instrumental the producer Martin Hannett was in creating the recorded Joy Division sound. I like to be optimistic though and assume its a minority of twats that are actually that ignorant.

Edit: perhaps that's a bit harsh, the poor dears don't know any better

[dg.]

Kill him with the guitar
kill him with guitar
kill him guitar
kill him
kill.

[dubstepjustin]

Tell that person that in order for it to be considered as music, it has to have some type of rhythm, melody, beat and tempo. Which electronic music does have those things. Therefore its music. Then show him a fully packed project screenshot in FL studio .

[dubstepjustin]

What strikes me as odd is that people still view electronic music as a 'recent' thing, while it predates rock & roll by 40 years. It even predates jazz, blues, and r&b. Styles that are viewed as the cornerstones of American popular music.

It's funny, as soon as the Beatles added some occasional electronic parts in some songs, they were visionaries, but when a non-rock musicians do it, they're an insult to music.

People always talk about the Beatles' legacy, but their legacy is the reason that 'songwriters are expected to (physically) play their (acoustic or electric) instruments' and all that crap. Barring their music (which I never liked anyway), their legacy had more negative effects than good ones. It created the narrow minded rockism that is running rampant today. o.o

You bring up an interesting point - there's often double standards in the rock community as to what electronics are deemed credible and edgy ie. in the context of a rock band it's ok. Forget how instrumental the producer Martin Hannett was in creating the recorded Joy Division sound. I like to be optimistic though and assume its a minority of twats that are actually that ignorant.

Edit: perhaps that's a bit harsh, the poor dears don't know any better

Well heres the thing i want to tell people. What has rock been fused with lately? Electronics! Honestly, they shouldnt say a word since korn and system of a down etc. use electronics every so often.

[collige]

Tell that person that in order for it to be considered as music, it has to have some type of rhythm, melody, beat and tempo. Which electronic music does have those things. Therefore its music. Then show him a fully packed project screenshot in FL studio .

Music doesn't need any of those things.