Are you abnormal? Then you might have a problem...

[alien pimp]

on a practical level: gimme your addy & password and stop using double standards for questions that have just one answer

and saying bloody boring shit like "internet forums won't help" doesn't get you out of the bad position unless you discuss with other drones like you

[feral witchchild]

Look, all I'm really getting at is that law enforcement/intelligence agencies have priorities when it comes to these things, you know.

You can say that I'm a "stupid drone" for thinking that all you'd like, it's just common sense.

[alien pimp]

no, because after being so stupid to say you have nothing to hide you are left with those two options: prove it or shut the fuck up, read and learn before you come in with an attitude

[feral witchchild]

no, because after being so stupid to say you have nothing to hide you are left with those two options: prove it or shut the fuck up, read and learn before you come in with an attitude

An attitude? Excuse me? If anyone's taking an attitude here it's you. Forgive me for trying to assuage your fears. Really, how dicked out of me.

When I say I have nothing to hide I mean that I don't have any connections to questionable arab groups/states, nor am I on some hateful/violent shit. Nor do I sell drugs (and even if I did, why the fuck would I talk about it on the internet?) nor encourage violence against anyone. In a way, I hope this shit helps the governments of the world bag up, for example, all the White supremacist idiots who actually plan out, you know, widespread killings of colored people in the event of any kind of major crisis which could severely disrupt the law enforcement infrastructure of the nations they pollute. There are websites and forums with guides for racist white people, who are literally planning this kind of shit out but of course, brown people from OTHER countries are somehow a bigger threat. -_-

If they would use this shit to go after people like that, more power to them, and you can suck my dick if you think such groups don't deserve it.

Do you honestly think they would care about anything besides this kind of shit?

[vision]

Hummm...

[alien pimp]

no, because after being so stupid to say you have nothing to hide you are left with those two options: prove it or shut the fuck up, read and learn before you come in with an attitude

An attitude? Excuse me? If anyone's taking an attitude here it's you. Forgive me for trying to assuage your fears. Really, how dicked out of me.

When I say I have nothing to hide I mean that I don't have any connections to questionable arab groups/states, nor am I on some hateful/violent shit. Nor do I sell drugs (and even if I did, why the fuck would I talk about it on the internet?) nor encourage violence against anyone. In a way, I hope this shit helps the governments of the world bag up, for example, all the White supremacist idiots who actually plan out, you know, widespread killings of colored people in the event of any kind of major crisis which could severely disrupt the law enforcement infrastructure of the nations they pollute. There are websites and forums with guides for racist white people, who are literally planning this kind of shit out but of course, brown people from OTHER countries are somehow a bigger threat. -_-

If they would use this shit to go after people like that, more power to them, and you can suck my dick if you think such groups don't deserve it.

Do you honestly think they would care about anything besides this kind of shit?

your personal definition of "i have nothing to hide" is not something the rest of the world uses, if you have a different dictionary it doesn't work here, where people use english, and in english it means only one thing. so you're a lame coward too and you twist your own words just to get out of the situation, but that doesn't work a sec.
opening new directions for the discussion doesn't work either
so you're still left with the two options mentioned

and i can afford an attitude because i'm correct. i make sense and i don't pull out childish trickery to hide the fact i talk bullshit while acting like a smartass

[feral witchchild]

your personal definition of "i have nothing to hide" is not something the rest of the world uses, if you have a different dictionary it doesn't work here

Nah, those are some pretty simple words, and most people would agree with my definition, since, you know, I'm talking about not having stuff to hide WHICH WOULD RELATE TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.

That doesn't in any way equate to wanting all the personal details of my life blown up for all to see.

I mean, if you wanna believe that they're spending millions just to learn the mundane details of everyone's life and throw them in their faces, that's on you, but I like to, you know, not be fucking idiotic as much as I can help it.

so you're a lame coward too and you twist your own words just to get out of the situation, but that doesn't work a sec.

Ah, yes, because we all know getting indignant about something on the internet is the true mark of bravery.

opening new directions for the discussion doesn't work either
so you're still left with the two options mentioned

I went out of my way to explain what I meant by having nothing to hide, now I'm genuinely curious as to why you're so paranoid about all of this. Got a penchant for kiddie porn you're trying to hide or some shit?

and i can afford an attitude because i'm correct.

You're not "correct" in any sense, you're just being paranoid. I even said that I don't agree with it on a moral level.

i make sense and i don't pull out childish trickery to hide the fact i talk bullshit while acting like a smartass

Yeah, I'm sure everyone who comes upon this thread will interpret our interaction like that...

[alien pimp]

dude, you can't help it anymore
next time when you have this impetus to show everyone you're smarter remember you might need to prove it

until then let the people know what's up and interfere only when you have something useful or really funny to add to the conversation

[feral witchchild]

When you get sick of trying to make the same nonexistent point over and over again, holla.

[alien pimp]

yes yes, you just sit quiet and wait for me to holla

[hurlingdervish]

i think someone skipped over high school english reading and jumped straight to the cliff notes

[feral witchchild]

i think someone skipped over high school english reading and jumped straight to the cliff notes

Who is this directed at?

I'm sorry, is this like a cultural thing? When I said I had nothing to hide, I wasn't being literal, what I meant to say was that I don't engage in the kind of activities law enforcement and intelligent agencies would utilize some shit like this to monitor or prevent. So even if my life was monitored with this sort of artificial intelligence, it wouldn't fuck me over either way. That doesn't mean that I encourage complete subservience or ANYTHING like that. Some of the conspiracy nuts on this forum need to curb their egos a bit.

It's...woefully illogical to think of this as something that will change most people's day to day lives. It's quite obviously a crucial step in the formation of (I should say the growth of) the modern police state, but in practicality, things won't really be different all of a sudden. As I said, if you engage in the kind of activities that would set off red flags, then, yeah, you quite obviously have something to worry about, but apart from that...

[hurlingdervish]

theres a difference between conspiracies and actual liberties being taken away.

i don't care for conspiracies, what i do care for is being able to search on the internet and not get fucked for it

if you can't see why having A.I scan for "abnormals" is a bad idea...then thats your problem not mine

its easy to give the government power like this...its impossibly harder to take it away when they eventually, and inevitably, abuse it.

have a nice future

[feral witchchild]

i don't care for conspiracies, what i do care for is being able to search on the internet and not get fucked for it

Of course I realize that that's part of what this kind of thing would entail. My point is, do you really think the governments of the world could afford to imprison anyone and everyone who searches for questionable things on the internet? Even if they would like to.

The very thought is just ridiculous.

You're from America, right? I mean, shit, bro, what the fuck do you think the NSA has been up to for the past 8 years or so? Haha. Our prisons are crowded enough as is. They're not gonna waste precious resources to lock up people for potentially doing questionable things...only if you're doing stuff which you DESERVE to get bagged for and are talking about it on the internet for whatever inexplicable reason.

[hurlingdervish]

yea but even though i completely disapprove of the patriot act, they have to prove your a terrorist...albeit misinformed but still

abnormal implies whatever they want it to imply!

they dont have to arrest you either there are many other consequences...fines...etc

how could any protesters gather if the government knows about the protest before it happens and shuts it down before it begins?

how could ANY social even happen without their eye on it

say good bye to raves

say goodbye to piracy

if this technology existed in the 60's the hippy movement would have never happened

if it existed in the 30's and 40's we all might be under hitlers rule still. this kind of technology can be benevolent no doubt about that...but the potential for abuse here is staggering.
from the actual indect site:
# construction of a family of prototypes of devices used for mobile object tracking
if they want you they will get you.
# construction of a search engine for fast detection of persons and documents based on watermarking technology and utilising comprehensive research on watermarking technology used for semantic search,
no more pesky leaks of incriminating dossiers
# construction of agents assigned to continuous and automatic monitoring of public resources such as: web sites, discussion forums, UseNet groups, file servers, p2p networks as well as individual computer systems,
self explainatory really

[alien pimp]

i don't care for conspiracies, what i do care for is being able to search on the internet and not get fucked for it

Of course I realize that that's part of what this kind of thing would entail. My point is, do you really think the governments of the world could afford to imprison anyone and everyone who searches for questionable things on the internet? Even if they would like to.

The very thought is just ridiculous.

You're from America, right? I mean, shit, bro, what the fuck do you think the NSA has been up to for the past 8 years or so? Haha. Our prisons are crowded enough as is. They're not gonna waste precious resources to lock up people for potentially doing questionable things...only if you're doing stuff which you DESERVE to get bagged for and are talking about it on the internet for whatever inexplicable reason.

you mongoloid, they're profiling and making statistics at a mass level for population control!

Miss Chakrabarti said: "Profiling whole populations instead of monitoring individual suspects is a sinister step in any society.

and of course, if one becomes anything important (again not your case), any information can and will be used against him until he is compliant. blackmail is one of the most usual procedures for secret services, and now they're connected to all the information flow.
nobody cares about you personally, nor about most of us probably , but some people who might want to do something positive with their life (besides transforming food into shit and be a wet extension of a gameboy) can be determined to take the decisions they need. and their interests are not ours. any weapon in their hands is more weakness for us. unless you think somoene gives up on that kind of money to make some moron happy.

[feral witchchild]

they dont have to arrest you either there are many other consequences...fines...etc

This is actually a good point, I didn't consider that...

how could any protesters gather if the government knows about the protest before it happens and shuts it down before it begins?

Also a good point I didn't consider. I was thinking about things on a much more personal scale...Hmm.

how could ANY social event happen without their eye on it

say good bye to raves

I don't think it could ever get that bad. :/

I mean, it could, but I doubt it will. I totally agree with the point about political demonstrations and such, but there are certain lines I think they wouldn't even really be able to justify crossing to themselves.

Trying to straight up interfere with people having a (ostensibly) legal good time at like clubs or parties would definitely have many people outraged. I guess that doesn't really matter, though. : /

say goodbye to piracy

Hmm, I'm surprised that you brought this up, since piracy in any form is generally looked down upon on here, however, it seems like certain kinds of piracy are vilified, but others are ok, which is ridiculous. Either all kinds of piracy are wrong, or none of them are. As someone who has pirated stuff, I obviously would not be happy about being prosecuted, but what could or would I really be able to say? :/

The huge fines that they slap people with are just ridiculous, though.

if this technology existed in the 60's the hippy movement would have never happened

Do you think that societal change could not be realized without the internet?

I could completely understand being scared of CCTV and all that being beefed up with this kind of shit, but hasn't that whole system already been in use in the UK for many years, even if it's not as advanced? I've read about the millions of cameras and whatnot.

As for the other stuff, I really don't even know what to say. I'm not some monster that sees those things as justified, because they aren't...

I used to be stressed out about this kind of shit all day, especially like the whole Swine Flu thing but I've been consciously trying to be less paranoid, for the sake of my sanity. If that makes me some oblivious drone in your eyes, I understand...but ultimately, as someone who is doing nothing explicitly wrong, I can't justify freaking out about any of this just yet.

Honestly, if this really came into full swing the way you guys are afraid of, I would just stop using the internet and confine all potentially incriminating things I have to say to actual words.

[feral witchchild]

and of course, if one becomes anything important (again not your case), any information can and will be used against him until he is compliant.

I don't suffer delusions of becoming anything important, nor is this some sort of goal in my life, but if you do, I would suggest getting off the internet and doing something about it instead of trying in vain to make people who don't even have anything against you look stupid.

At first I was kind of offended by your personal attacks, but after thinking about how childish they are, I can't justify it to myself, so let me just do you a favor here: u smart, i dumb hurr hurr

[hurlingdervish]

say goodbye to piracy

Hmm, I'm surprised that you brought this up, since piracy in any form is generally looked down upon on here, however, it seems like certain kinds of piracy are vilified, but others are ok, which is ridiculous. Either all kinds of piracy are wrong, or none of them are. As someone who has pirated stuff, I obviously would not be happy about being prosecuted, but what could or would I really be able to say? :/

The huge fines that they slap people with are just ridiculous, though.

im not going to make judgements either way, but i do know that a 12 year old doesnt deserve to be punished by the state for taking something thats a click away with no interference inbetween

if this technology existed in the 60's the hippy movement would have never happened

Do you think that societal change could not be realized without the internet?

not my point. the point is that if the technology did exist and entered the mainstream at the time, the movement may have not ever come into existence

I used to be stressed out about this kind of shit all day, especially like the whole Swine Flu thing but I've been consciously trying to be less paranoid, for the sake of my sanity. If that makes me some oblivious drone in your eyes, I understand...but ultimately, as someone who is doing nothing explicitly wrong, I can't justify freaking out about any of this just yet.

Honestly, if this really came into full swing the way you guys are afraid of, I would just stop using the internet and confine all potentially incriminating things I have to say to actual words.

theres a difference between discussing things and fearing them.
i do enjoy a rational debate on these types of things, but i don't enjoy talking about say...reptillians or Obama secretly being from africa and faking his birth certificate.

even if i did live in a country with cctv...as a teenager i probably would have gone around in nixon masks breaking them with a baseball bat

[alien pimp]

my post was informative

it's good to read a post like "wtf, good to know about it" or "i'm aware of things, no surprise" because you know a few people will be able to make their decisions being aware of reality
but i don't see what can be debated, if we accept reality or not?