obama wins nobel peace prize

[hurlingdervish]

I have not seen or experienced anything that would make me believe so. I , therefore, have nothing to prove.

what you need to prove is the point you make, what you say it's like "i have no contrary proves then i have nothing to prove"

a fact is not proved by lack of negative proves, unless there are affirmative proves too.

i brought you affirmative proves
where are yours?

if i was agnostic how would i prove myself not believing either way? you cant, its the lack of evidence that creates that stance, theres nothing to prove.

until i have evidence that obama is a puppet i have no reason to believe it.

its not that hard to understand.

[alien pimp]

check a dictionary

It's a verb, not a noun.

obviously i meant proofs, just made a mistake
thanks! now focus on the ideas, maybe you want to contribute something good

[djelements]

check a dictionary

It's a verb, not a noun.

obviously i meant proofs, just made a mistake
thanks! now focus on the ideas, maybe you want to contribute something good

I don't believe in Obama, and I don't believe in the NWO. I just believe that something very fucked up is going on in the government, and it's up to the American people to do something about it.

[alien pimp]

[its the lack of evidence that creates that stance, theres nothing to prove.

wrong. it's illogical. plus i brought you evidence, if it's not good enough you have to say why not, i just told you why your shit it's not, but you didn't yet provide affirmative proves to support your point, neither to support the idea my proofs are weak
basically all you provided is: "because i say so"

[hurlingdervish]

[its the lack of evidence that creates that stance, theres nothing to prove.

wrong. it's illogical. plus i brought you evidence, if it's not good enough you have to say why not, i just told you why your shit it's not, but you didn't yet provide affirmative proves to support your point, neither to support the idea my proofs are weak
basically all you provided is: "because i say so"

now you are getting silly
I'm saying I don't believe it till I see evidence.

THATS IT.

if you have a problem with that you might be catholic.

[the artful dodger]

All he does is tell people what to do and he wins an award, how many people can do that and better but aint a politician? The world is fucked, i hate politics and celebs why do people worship them, politicans are the reason why there aint peace an celebs well they dont deserve half the power and money they get. Why dose a celeb get paid millions over a picture of a side boob while there are women and men out there that save lives everyday and get paid only 20 thousand a year!!

[alien pimp]

[its the lack of evidence that creates that stance, theres nothing to prove.

wrong. it's illogical. plus i brought you evidence, if it's not good enough you have to say why not, i just told you why your shit it's not, but you didn't yet provide affirmative proves to support your point, neither to support the idea my proofs are weak
basically all you provided is: "because i say so"

now you are getting silly
I'm saying I don't believe it till I see evidence.

THATS IT.

if you have a problem with that you might be catholic.

did you see evidence for what you believe in?
why don't you share it then, as i'm asking you?
or you believe that shit without seeing evidence?
don't get nervous, get logical!
you can't say something is proved by the lack of negative evidence!

[alien pimp]

All he does is tell people what to do and he wins an award, how many people can do that and better but aint a politician? The world is fucked, i hate politics and celebs why do people worship them, politicans are the reason why there aint peace an celebs well they dont deserve half the power and money they get. Why dose a celeb get paid millions over a picture of a side boob while there are women and men out there that save lives everyday and get paid only 20 thousand a year!!

because we put those money in their pockets, they would be stupid to say no!

[Genevieve]

Define 'puppet'?

However, Obama, like the presidents before him, got the most corporate backing out of any candidate running in 2008. Now, lemme put it like this, why would the corporations support someone who is in it for the people when you consider that corporations are only in it for making profit by any means necessary with no personal responsibility, except for the share holders?

o.o

[hurlingdervish]

I haven't even said what I believe. I am not the one making a case...

I don't see a reason to say that obama is innocent or guilty. All I know is that there is a bigger problem with the congress and TV than the president. and as far as I am concerned his innocence or guilt is a non-issue in comparison to a privately funded propaganda machine working hard against him out of racism and bigotry (oh and politcal stance, but thats just a minor thing... )...

and you say "this isn't a court of law" (though the rationality applies elsewhere) but in reality if you were to take this to a level where you could prosecute someone , it would be a court of law, and he would be innocent until proven guilty. This isn't guilty until proven innocent...things don't work that way anywhere in life...with people stealing your food....not doing your favors...cheating on you...anywhere

[metalboxproducts]

Isn't this a bit like giving a pregnant woman a World's Best Mum award?

I just pissed myself then.

[metalboxproducts]

A bit presumtuous methinks.

It sums up the times we are living in really. He's won it on the grounds of being the 1st mixed race pres and before he has time to show his true (no pun intended) colours.

[ben freeman]

check a dictionary

It's a verb, not a noun.

obviously i meant proofs, just made a mistake
thanks! now focus on the ideas, maybe you want to contribute something good

I don't believe in Obama, and I don't believe in the NWO. I just believe that something very fucked up is going on in the government, and it's up to the American people to do something about it.

Word up Elements. I feel like a broken record on here with the politics. The problem is the majority of Americans just don't give a shit unless a problem affects them personally. I feel that the recession now is just a precurser to what is going to come. We will see the worst economic breakdown ever within our lifetime because our government is so fucked up beyond repair and doesn't bother to fix problems, they just give us these bills with temporary fixes.

This healthcare reform is a fucking joke. where are we going to get the 1.5 TRILLION dollars to pay for this fucking thing? Hey, lets take out another fucking loan!!!!! Like we don't already have 50 trillion in debt already. Better yet, they are gonna have to tax the bejesus out of us for it.

Personally, I have taken it upon myself to start stockpiling food, learning how to be self suficent, and buying gold and silver....cause the dollar will tank SOON. China, India, and Brazil are taking action as we speak to get rid of the Dollars they already have, and once they get rid of it, they will start a new standard, like the EURO. When that happens, I better have my guns stockpiled by then cause motherfuckers here are gonna start rioting as the USA falls apart.

Obama and the nobel? WTF has he done? NOTHING.

[magma]

Define 'puppet'?

I'm sure that Obama ran with the best of intentions, every president does. Including Bush (yes, this is the same Bush that was the president of the USA for 8 years and this one doesn't stutter or trip over his own words, sounded like a president I could get behind right here). However, Obama, like the presidents before him, got the most corporate backing out of any candidate running in 2008. Now, lemme put it like this, why would the corporations support someone who is in it for the people when you consider that corporations are only in it for making profit by any means necessary with no personal responsibility, except for the share holders? Do corporations suddenly care for the people? The same corporations who control the Federal Reserve (watch the whole thing to understand the problem) that was solely created to control the USA's monetary system in favor of corporate interest?

I'm sure that Obama's going to try to do as much as he can, but he... can't. All he can do is project a certain morale into the population. Is he as weak as Bush? I don't know, he may or may not be, or maybe he's just a better liar, I don't know. But depending on your definition of 'puppet', he could very well be one. I have no opinion on that.

I don't believe in the NWO, I do believe that there's globalization and that corporations would like nothing more than a one world government with a single, imaginary, monetary system (hell, some of them even admitted that, I'm paraphrasing them here). However, I don't think there's some huge ass plot to enslave mankind to the corporations, who have been planning this for hundreds of years in secret back rooms. I've gotta say, though, that globalization is a bad idea and very real and that the problem we face in the world today aren't because of free market capitalism, quite on the contrary. It's big governments allowing corporations (corporations are contradictory to 'free marketism') to control the monetary system and the market.

So far, Obama hasn't proven that he's not going down the same road that many others before him have.

All of this.

I still think it's a VERY positive thing for America's relations with the rest of the world that a man like Obama's in charge... I think he sets a good tone for the country's communication and their image around the world, but you're right, he needs to prove that he's got the spine to back up his promises of "Change". I'd like to think there was still time, and there is... I'm a sucker for a man rising to the challenge, but you wonder whether he will...

[Genevieve]

Define 'puppet'?

I'm sure that Obama ran with the best of intentions, every president does. Including Bush (yes, this is the same Bush that was the president of the USA for 8 years and this one doesn't stutter or trip over his own words, sounded like a president I could get behind right here). However, Obama, like the presidents before him, got the most corporate backing out of any candidate running in 2008. Now, lemme put it like this, why would the corporations support someone who is in it for the people when you consider that corporations are only in it for making profit by any means necessary with no personal responsibility, except for the share holders? Do corporations suddenly care for the people? The same corporations who control the Federal Reserve (watch the whole thing to understand the problem) that was solely created to control the USA's monetary system in favor of corporate interest?

I'm sure that Obama's going to try to do as much as he can, but he... can't. All he can do is project a certain morale into the population. Is he as weak as Bush? I don't know, he may or may not be, or maybe he's just a better liar, I don't know. But depending on your definition of 'puppet', he could very well be one. I have no opinion on that.

I don't believe in the NWO, I do believe that there's globalization and that corporations would like nothing more than a one world government with a single, imaginary, monetary system (hell, some of them even admitted that, I'm paraphrasing them here). However, I don't think there's some huge ass plot to enslave mankind to the corporations, who have been planning this for hundreds of years in secret back rooms. I've gotta say, though, that globalization is a bad idea and very real and that the problem we face in the world today aren't because of free market capitalism, quite on the contrary. It's big governments allowing corporations (corporations are contradictory to 'free marketism') to control the monetary system and the market.

So far, Obama hasn't proven that he's not going down the same road that many others before him have.

All of this.

I still think it's a VERY positive thing for America's relations with the rest of the world that a man like Obama's in charge... I think he sets a good tone for the country's communication and their image around the world, but you're right, he needs to prove that he's got the spine to back up his promises of "Change". I'd like to think there was still time, and there is... I'm a sucker for a man rising to the challenge, but you wonder whether he will...

Obama's image is more positive, but actions speak louder than words. I think Obama's image only helps for countries who weren't going to attack the USA anyway (the EU, Australia, yadda yadda). Keep in mind, his foreign policy differs little from Clinton's and it's Clinton's policy that caused 9/11 (not saying that Obama has done the same thing, but Clinton has been responsible for his fair share of genocide in, among other places, Kosovo as well). His meddling with the affairs in the Middle East can only prolong the problems the West has today.

By championing 'diplomacy' over 'brute force', but still being an ally to Israel and Israeli interests (which is not good for Palestinians, which is the root of the problems we've been facing since 9/11) and prolonging the nation building policies of Bush in Afghanistan and let's not forget, having the same secretary of defense as George Bush, he's going to have a very, very hard time proving he's much different from past presidents. Republican or Democrat.

So far, Obama has been a lot of talk and while I definitely wouldn't have voted for him (Ron Paul 2008!), I do wish he would improve East/West relations somehow. Though I think non-interventionism and free trade among countries would be the best solution to create the modern day political climate.

[alien pimp]

I haven't even said what I believe.

that's what i mean

[feral witchchild]

By championing 'diplomacy' over 'brute force', but still being an ally to Israel and Israeli interests (which is not good for Palestinians, which is the root of the problems we've been facing since 9/11) and prolonging the nation building policies of Bush in Afghanistan and let's not forget, having the same secretary of defense as George Bush, he's going to have a very, very hard time proving he's much different from past presidents. Republican or Democrat.

This is all that needs to be said, really.

[wormcode]

A bit presumtuous methinks.

It sums up the times we are living in really. He's won it on the grounds of being the 1st mixed race pres and before he has time to show his true (no pun intended) colours.

Yeah, on both sides of the argument. His biggest critics say "he hasn't changed anything!" blah blah, but it hasn't even been a year, and 3 1/2 or so more to go.. and most likely 4 more after that, especially if the competition is going to be the way it was last election. I dunno what people were expecting, but i'm pretty sure everyone in the know said it would be close to a decade before major changes even start to happen, even Obama himself. Things were/are pretty fucked, and they didn't get fucked overnight, it was several years of a downward spiral, and just the same they can't be fixed any quicker.. if anything it will take twice as long.

[alien pimp]

A bit presumtuous methinks.

It sums up the times we are living in really. He's won it on the grounds of being the 1st mixed race pres and before he has time to show his true (no pun intended) colours.

Yeah, on both sides of the argument. His biggest critics say "he hasn't changed anything!" blah blah, but it hasn't even been a year, and 3 1/2 or so more to go.. and most likely 4 more after that, especially if the competition is going to be the way it was last election. I dunno what people were expecting, but i'm pretty sure everyone in the know said it would be close to a decade before major changes even start to happen, even Obama himself. Things were/are pretty fucked, and they didn't get fucked overnight, it was several years of a downward spiral, and just the same they can't be fixed any quicker.. if anything it will take twice as long.

interesting is bad decisions are taken in a minute and good decisions need decades of hope
and if this fail took decades to get here too, it's interesting how the best specialists in the government didn't see it happening and didn't make anything to stop it
either they are all stupid, either they are malevolent, is there any other way you can fail so badly being wise and well intended?

[hurlingdervish]

people do want instant results

the only instant results you can get from politics and government is killing people

it was much easier for bush to satisfy his party cause all he had to do was drop bombs and go "i R keepin r footure safe"

dealing with national debt, multiple wars you didn't start or want to be in, a shit congress, a rampant opposition fueled by hate as well as politics....

christ the man needs a blunt after all that

for the record obama did say that he didn't deserve the award... he didn't pay anybody off or anything paranoid like that