dubstep vs grime

[n-type]

what's the difference between this styles ?

g-7
r-18
i-9
m-13
e-5
=52

d-4
u-21
b-2
s-19
t-20
e-5
p-17
=88

88-52=36

lol!

[plastician]

I play a lot of instrumental grime - probably more than the vocal stuff.

You can only tell the difference if you are listening to the right stuff. Its all in the frequencies and the swing really.

For example....

Digital Mystikz - Anti War Dub - dubby elements such as the delayed vocals and the sub bass, nice swing and groove on the track, structured quite technically with breakdowns, bridges and drops. This is a dubstep track for sure.

Wiley - So Amazing - The track still has the bassy punch of dubstep yet the beat is also very prominent with a sharp snare cutting through it. The bassline has a more harsh tonality to it due to the frequencies, the bass is more of a square wave than a sine which takes away from the sub a little. Basically the bassline makes up a large chunk of the melody. The structure is a typical 16 and 8 bar pattern which is normally designed for vocals - with verses sitting on the 16 bar patterns and a chorus on the 8. Even without a vocal on top of it however its clearly a grime track.

But then there are in betweens

Geeneus - Parasite - this track is raw and gritty and takes a lot of similarities to the track I just mentioned (So Amazing) in terms of sonic qualities. However the structure is a little more complex and includes breakdowns which help keep it interesting for people listening to the track without an MC on top of it. I would class it as grime but with the strength of being able to stand alone as instrumental music (very much like dubstep).

Then you have tracks like

Wonder - Undertaker - The whole atmosphere and production values of this track are very dubsteppy, although the structure of it sways it toward grime as it's been built in 16's and 8's. I'm still undecided on where to place this track - but at the end of the day - it's great music, why should we be that bothered about placing it in a particular category?

I believe the two genres can work together sonically very well. It is all down to the selection and order in which you choose to play them. I've always supported both sides of the scene pretty equally as far as DJ'ing is concerned, and it hasn't hurt me a great deal!

[pete_bubonic]

I play a lot of instrumental grime - probably more than the vocal stuff.

You can only tell the difference if you are listening to the right stuff. Its all in the frequencies and the swing really.!

See this is exactly how I see it. Grime isn't just made for emcees! But it certainly has a focal point around them. The key thing that seperates them for me is domination of sub and the structure to the beats. Grime tends to have that more garage tinted syncopated beats to it. Middle ground for me is something like Tubby and Footsie's 'It's War'.

[corpsey]

Plasticman, are you a disk jockey?

[plastician]

Plasticman, are you a disk jockey?

I am pal...

I DJ under the name of Plastician

www.myspace.com/plastician

www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/innewdjswetrust

Lock in tonight 2-4 Radio 1

[corpsey]

lol safe I'll lock

Big up man, one of my favourite DJs as it happens

[pablex]

are you dumb???

the bad photoshopping skills on the hair are actually pretty funny

[alex bk-bk]

bad photoshopping skills

read: " i like bum "

[plastician]

lol safe I'll lock

Big up man, one of my favourite DJs as it happens

Respect for that!

[dopelabs]

ill second that... one of the first tracks i heard was plasticman - industrial graft on the grime rephlex release... cool to hear the producion progression too... hard graft etc.

big ups =]