most hallucinogenic

[Depone]

All to their own. Personally i cant stand the stigma of drugs (weed in particular) in dubstep. When someone drops a weed reference in their track i just think 15 year old boy who should grow up. Smoke weed, by all means, just dont make it so fucking cliche.

Ganja references in ragga and then ragga jungle are a big part of dubstep's roots. I don't think we could have dubstep today without drugs (or congo natty, who was definately mashed off his tits to spend god knows how long flipping those breaks to and fro )

I actually love congo natty, but dubstep isnt jungle. Sure it has elements, but to say that "Ganja references in ragga and then ragga jungle are a big part of dubstep's roots" is a bit of a long leap. After all Liquid dnb isnt oldskool hardcore is it? they started from the same scene, but they are two different breeds.

If you feel it makes sense to take Dubsteps roots all the way back to Dub, you should look into the Dub don (the one that didn't get shot) Lee Scratch Perry, and look at his opinion on drugs since he gave them up. He basically now classes the music he made one drugs as the devils music and had to make 'clean' music to redeem himself (and even his fans)!

Thats an intersting point man. Its all down to perspective. If your into dubstep to feel like a badman gangsta then do what you wanna do. I stopped smoking the herb and taking class A's 2 years ago and have never felt more determined and artistic! Somebody here also pointed out that its also to do with mindset. Some people dont need to smoke a whole lot of herb to feel the same way when making dubstep than if they were cheech.

Back to dub, i think my fav dub artists are Mad professor, lee scratch perry and jah shaka. Please buy/download the album called New decade of dub by Mad professor/jah shaka. It changed my life!!!

[wayoftheworld]

fwiw im pretty sure king tubby was also against smoking the herb.

[ruckus49]

it's not like everyone who takes drugs is a junkie

I beg to differ, from what I've noticed they might as well be. I did my 7 years of smoking weed and can officially say it did fuck all for my life except make me a loser for those 7 years.. All my 'mates' who smoked with me who haven't given up are now coke heads who want to fuck everybody over, no ambition in life and only ring you when you want something... So in my experience, everyone who takes drugs has a subconscious mind frame of a junkie.

There's actually research that shows that intelligence increases the likelihood of experimenting with substances.

I believe this, but only because I've read into shamanism and the like so much, as much as I'm tempted to take a spirit journey using hallucinogenic substances, I think I'll refrain. All your research shows is that people have temptations when they know enough about something, not that taking drugs is in any way good for creativity. I have issues with paranoia so I know that drugs aren't for me anymore, if I even have a bit of hash cake it will send me into a night of VERY bad trips of paranoia and panic attacks.

In all honesty, I find it hard to believe that drugs are good for creativity and the like. At the end of the day, I have a very vivid imagination and I sometimes dream up amazing orchestras and all sorts, yet it doesn't make it any easier to make in reality. Why would a drug trip be any different?

wow u and me are pretty similar. the last 2 times i ate acid i had insanely bad trips and a lot of the time when i smoke pot now i get real paranoid. it sucks but youre not alone on this. anyway. i need to quit everything at least for a few years. drugs dont make good music, lots of practice does.

[wirez]

fwiw im pretty sure king tubby was also against smoking the herb.

Yep, as far as I remember he was strongly into christianity.

[jolly wailer]

ESKMO!



anything with that kinda melting glitch sound


"in my experience" does not = the reality of the situation. Just do you.


tripwire you could hook me up with your 2 buddies if you don't wanna hang with them.

[wayoftheworld]

^^ right on, been meaning to check out eskmo for a while now.

[jolly wailer]

http://www.xlr8r.com/features/2010/01/inbox-eskmo

and his mix he did for flylo's brainfeeder

[ruckus49]

ESKMO!

yes! agnus dei is the track

[jolly wailer]

this might be the most melty tune in my crates

[Blue Patterns]

All to their own. Personally i cant stand the stigma of drugs (weed in particular) in dubstep. When someone drops a weed reference in their track i just think 15 year old boy who should grow up. Smoke weed, by all means, just dont make it so fucking cliche.

cliche sucks, but coki - it or whatever it's called whit it's sample "original ganja smokin'" is fucking badass

that song is called "It". Tune is fucked. Windows 98 samples and shit

[wayoftheworld]

http://www.xlr8r.com/features/2010/01/inbox-eskmo

and his mix he did for flylo's brainfeeder

thanks bro

[jolly wailer]

indeed bro.

[grooki]

silly argument? who can tell someone else about their creativity? wah!

[wayoftheworld]

fwiw im pretty sure king tubby was also against smoking the herb.

Yep, as far as I remember he was strongly into christianity.

haha word. ever heard of david tibet? he's also strongly into christianity

[tripwire22]

ha wailer you can have them they are pricks but they will smoke you out

[wayoftheworld]

Thats an intersting point man. Its all down to perspective. If your into dubstep to feel like a badman gangsta then do what you wanna do. I stopped smoking the herb and taking class A's 2 years ago and have never felt more determined and artistic! Somebody here also pointed out that its also to do with mindset. Some people dont need to smoke a whole lot of herb to feel the same way when making dubstep than if they were cheech.

Back to dub, i think my fav dub artists are Mad professor, lee scratch perry and jah shaka. Please buy/download the album called New decade of dub by Mad professor/jah shaka. It changed my life!!!

i feel ya

i generally favor clarity and being in control to uh, occasional mind altering activities (dont do drugs!)......but i mean even something like exercise can be psychedelic if you approach it right. it really is like you said -- all down to perspective, and i'll even go as far to say balance!

sick music recommendations as well. definetly down with lee perry and the stuff he's done for others, tubby, mad professor, whatever else i read about in wire magazine's dub section. but im really into afrobeat, like fela kuti, and antibalas. it's very repetitive and psychedelic and just....awesome rhythms and horn/brass drones, and afrofunk and a lot of his songs are 10+ minutes. the song "lady" and "expensive shit"

[deadly_habit]

otherwise phillip glass and lustmord

[wayoftheworld]

otherwise phillip glass and lustmord

yeah definetly into the dubstep (and fly lo) you posted. looking for something a bit more obscure tho. also heard glass and lustmord, and thanks cos thats a great recomendation

i'll up you one, philip jeck, and coil (im guessing youve probably at least heard coil)

here's a review of philip jeck from aquarius records:

With an arsenal of Dansette turntables (numbering up to 180!!!), Jeck sets up numerous pieces of vinyl with various delays and locked grooves fashioned directly on the vinyl with glue and razor blades. Cyclical patterns of Christmas tunes, slowed down antique 78s, and the tidal flux of surface noise are the raw elements for Jeck's collage. The result is an eerily beautiful piece that is just as good as (if not better than) Jeck's recently released turntablist double cd masterpiece "Vinyl Coda I-III."

and some of coils stuff is hit and miss, but a lot of it is very dark and hallucinatory, electronic and most of the time improvised. might wanna check out this trio called emeralds. synth heavy zones......and the other artist i wanted to suggest was ben frost

[tripwire22]

Deadly put up the best songs. Also Shakelton. kryptic minds is somewhat there too. headhunter.

[wayoftheworld]

Deadly put up the best songs. Also Shakelton. kryptic minds is somewhat there too. headhunter.

all such good stuff. thanks man

and thanks to everyone who helped keep this thread about music ha

still loooking for some stuff i haven't heard tho. if it helps, my favorite dubstep song ever would be "annihilation of the ego" by optimus gryme. not sure much out there comes close to touching the vibes of that song, but if so, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. that's exactly the sound i'm looking for!