I'm gonna be one of the first people to have a UK ID card

[rbnc]

I'd have an ID card because I look 12 but:

1) Fuck having all my medical records, NI number, driving licence, credit rating and the colour of my shit on it.
2) It's just another thing for me to lose.
3) RFID scanners

IIRC there's already planning permission been put forwards and granted for ID card centres in various places up and down the country - so I am told (don't know if this is true?)

Manchester and London or 16-24 year olds.

[hackman]

All of the hype around ID cards has absolutely zero factual or substantiated evidence. It invariably comes from the same people who peddle nonsense about UFOs, fairies, George Galloway and other assorted nut-job conspiracy rubbish.

Even if everything we did was recorded on some huge database (the logistics of which would be absolutely incredibly difficult) do people think the government has the time and resources to sift through every single time you buy some petrol or a chocolate orange? Even if they did, why would they and what reasonable evidence could anyone provide that would need or want this information?

Do you think if the government wanted to start tracking what everyone was up to they'd do through something as opaque as an ID scheme?

If the government REALLY wanted to know what you were up to they could easily track everything you buy and everything you say on the Internet. Or just read your credit and bank card transactions.

If you're truly paranoid about people knowing what you're doing and where you're going.

Stop using the internet, destroy your biometric passport, stop using your mobile phone and cancel your bank account, because those four things already provide more information about what you're doing than an ID scheme EVER WILL.

That is the long and short of it.

i really shouldn't bother
BUT YOUR A BIG FUCKING MORON

[rbnc]

i really shouldn't bother
BUT YOUR A BIG FUCKING MORON

you're*

[hackman]

YOU BIG PEDANTIC MORON

[cyberneticghost]

Do you think a global skeletor is watching us through our Nectar cards telling us to how to act and what to buy. Do you think that will ever be the goal of a government made up of, run by and serving humans? Really? REALLLY????
If so you are a mental.

Not a government set up by humans, a world order set up by REPTILE MOLE MEN. On a side note If Gordan Brown Lost a few pounds and wore a purple leotard his resemblance to skeletor would be uncanny.

good to have you back Lloyd.

[rbnc]

YOU BIG PEDANTIC MORON

Rather than baseless shouting and swearing why not offer a reposte with some applied logic and factually supported arguments? People would be more inclined to take you more seriously.

[rbnc]

[hackman]

Rather than poor jokes and pictures why not offer a reposte with some applied logic and factually supported arguments? People would be more inclined to take you more seriously.

[amick]

Skeletor

[rbnc]

Rather than poor jokes and pictures why not offer a reposte with some applied logic and factually supported arguments?

If you believe something that is not supported as common knowledge or is a far-fetched claim, then the onus is on you to prove it and show evidence. The burden of proof lies with the believer.

[hackman]

Rather than poor jokes and pictures why not offer a reposte with some applied logic and factually supported arguments?

If you believe something that is not supported as common knowledge or is a far-fetched claim, then the onus is on you to prove it and show evidence. The burden of proof lies with the believer.

wheres the proof that its all good?
you havent shown any evidence, i havent cos i dont need to its all common sense
if you show me something that proves id cards are more good than bad ill admit defeat

[rbnc]

wheres the proof that its all good?
you havent shown any evidence, i havent cos i dont need to its all common sense
if you show me something that proves id cards are more good than bad ill admit defeat

Define good and bad in the context of ID cards.

[hackman]

duh
stop avoiding, and give me some proof

[rbnc]

wheres the proof that its all good?

Firstly, who ever claimed this? No one on here, as far as I can ascertain has said that it will be 'all good' or 'all bad'.

you havent shown any evidence,

Evidence to support what?

i havent cos i dont need to its all common sense

Based on which facts? To most people paranoid delusions wouldn't be considered common sense.

if you show me something that proves id cards are more good than bad

Define good and bad in the context of ID cards.

The evidence I would present is that in the countries which do have ID card schemes, there are no monitoring of its users and no plans to do as such.

Again if you're so worried about people monitoring you, I'd suggest you stop using mobile phones, the internet, destroy your passport if it is biometric and cancel your bank account as these are much easier ways to track you than an ID scheme. Are you planning to do this?

[hackman]

1. you pretty much
2. your asking for evidence of conspiracies involving the cards, im asking for evidence that they improve society
3. its fucking obvious that giving away freedoms and rights is a no no
4. "there are no monitoring of its users and no plans to do as much" the fuck do you know?

[alien pimp]

a long history of governments abusing their power against the citizens they should serve = fact
the huge potential of abuse via the card = fact
the benefits from the card = jokes

[rbnc]

the huge potential of abuse via the card = fact

Your imagination that something could happen, isn't proof of anyone's intentions.

You personally have the intention of doing very bad things, but people don't treat you as such until you have done or have shown intention as such.

Should I treat you as a murderer and a rapist, just because you have the potential of murdering and raping? No, of course not.

[rbnc]

4. "there are no monitoring of its users and no plans to do as much" the fuck do you know?

There is no evidence to support it. In life we only treat things as fact when there is reasonable evidence to support it.

If I said to you "There is an invisible pink unicorn in your bed room". Would you wouldn't believe it until there was evidence to support it.

[hackman]

Should I treat you as a murderer and a rapist, just because you have the potential of murdering and raping? No, of course not.

thats a shit analogy, its should be:
Should I treat you as a murderer and a rapist, just because you've done it a lot before? Yes, of course.

[rbnc]

Should I treat you as a murderer and a rapist, just because you have the potential of murdering and raping? No, of course not.

thats a shit analogy, its should be:
Should I treat you as a murderer and a rapist, just because you've done it a lot before? Yes, of course.

So you're suggesting our government should be treated suspiciously because they've "done it a lot before"?

So our government has used ID card schemes for the purpose of monitoring it's citizens actions before? Do you have any factually based evidence to support that claim? No.

I can't prove that they haven't, but that's because you can't prove a negative (Modus Tollens).

It's like me assuming that someone raped and murdered someone at any their in their life until they prove otherwise, without me offering them any further evidence or facts. Which is what you are refusing to do.