Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

[Basic A]

This. And to the person who posted right after FSTZ:

Serox is a DJ. Ive heard his sets. The man still buys new wax. Bias against anytihng new? WTF... No... Tell that to the idiots still rinsing 3 yr old datscision breakthrough stuff.

yeah well the difference is i'm not seeing these datscision kids repeatedly talk about how the scene "lost it years ago". I'd rather see Serox do a mix over those guys any day, but he is still Mr Negative. I'm not judging, I just think it's a shame because music excites me a lot and I wish more people would feel the same way!

Totally getcha, just felt he deserved stickin up for after that whole 'bias against new' thing...

[narcissus]

i think it's just serox's way of asking to be loved

[gravity]

could anyone tell me how a loefah tune is any less bland and formulaic than a datsik tune? let alone any more unique?

(disclaimer: i dont care who you think is better and personally dont think either artist is particularly exciting and dont care who did what for the scene, etc.)

edit: in fact lets expand that to the whole lot. how is deep/minimal/'mature' (read: what the hardcore dubstep types seem to see as the 'real deal') any more intellgint or unique or whatever than tear-out dancefloor dubstep?

[green plan]

could anyone tell me how a loefah tune is any less bland and formulaic than a datsik tune? let alone any more unique?

(disclaimer: i dont care who you think is better and personally dont think either artist is particularly exciting and dont care who did what for the scene, etc.)

edit: in fact lets expand that to the whole lot. how is deep/minimal/'mature' (read: what the hardcore dubstep types seem to see as the 'real deal') any more intellgint or unique or whatever than tear-out dancefloor dubstep?

Rah.

[JFK]

could anyone tell me how a loefah tune is any less bland and formulaic than a datsik tune? let alone any more unique?

(disclaimer: i dont care who you think is better and personally dont think either artist is particularly exciting and dont care who did what for the scene, etc.)

edit: in fact lets expand that to the whole lot. how is deep/minimal/'mature' (read: what the hardcore dubstep types seem to see as the 'real deal') any more intellgint or unique or whatever than tear-out dancefloor dubstep?

The tunes that Loefah/Mala/Coki/Skream made back in the early 2000's are the foundation of the scene. Without them there would be no tearout dubstep sound. The tunes that Loefah in particular made back then were 100% unique, name me anyone else that was making tunes that sounded anything like the stuff he was making. He may have had lots of people copying and imitating his sound since,but back then he was totally unique. Thats why the scene bacame so popular becasue the sound was new and people,who were sick of endless amens and midrange basslines, gravitated towards it because it was totally fresh.

The reason the deeper sound is regarded as more intelligent (i dont like that term because it implies tha people making tearout tunes are in some way less intelligent) is because it contains more subtle elements and tends to incorporate more advance sound design techniques. Their tends to be a range of reasons why people make deeper stuff too, to convey a variety of emotions, to describe a variety of experiences and ideals. Where as tearout stuff only tends to serve one purpose, ie to make the dance floor move its collective ass.

There is nothing better about either style. They are very different and they are designed for totally opposing situations. To compare one to the other is ridiculous.

[decree]

far from it
on the popular front it's def cookie cutter as hell, but there are loads of great things and producers pushing the boundaries still
unfortunately you have to dig like hell to find em and a lot of times on download sites they fall under other genres than dubstep

[Hurtdeer]

could anyone tell me how a loefah tune is any less bland and formulaic than a datsik tune? let alone any more unique?

(disclaimer: i dont care who you think is better and personally dont think either artist is particularly exciting and dont care who did what for the scene, etc.)

edit: in fact lets expand that to the whole lot. how is deep/minimal/'mature' (read: what the hardcore dubstep types seem to see as the 'real deal') any more intellgint or unique or whatever than tear-out dancefloor dubstep?

it's less popular, and people who take pride in their less mainstream music, being naturally sociopathic, think that that necessarily implies greater intelligence or artistic vision

on the flip side loefah's recent work has been fucking awesome and in its own key, he just hasn't seemed to release any of it yet

[decree]

could anyone tell me how a loefah tune is any less bland and formulaic than a datsik tune? let alone any more unique?

(disclaimer: i dont care who you think is better and personally dont think either artist is particularly exciting and dont care who did what for the scene, etc.)

edit: in fact lets expand that to the whole lot. how is deep/minimal/'mature' (read: what the hardcore dubstep types seem to see as the 'real deal') any more intellgint or unique or whatever than tear-out dancefloor dubstep?

it's less popular, and people who take pride in their less mainstream music, being naturally sociopathic, think that that necessarily implies greater intelligence or artistic vision

isnt that so true,
Gravity <3

Who ever was above my other post is a clear example of the above....
he literally didnt even answer your question

[FSTZ]

I'm too old for sub-genres

"I just like beats"

[JFK]

edit: in fact lets expand that to the whole lot. how is deep/minimal/'mature' (read: what the hardcore dubstep types seem to see as the 'real deal') any more intellgint or unique or whatever than tear-out dancefloor dubstep?

The reason the deeper sound is regarded as more intelligent (i dont like that term because it implies tha people making tearout tunes are in some way less intelligent) is because it contains more subtle elements and tends to incorporate more advance sound design techniques. Their tends to be a range of reasons why people make deeper stuff too, to convey a variety of emotions, to describe a variety of experiences and ideals. Where as tearout stuff only tends to serve one purpose, ie to make the dance floor move its collective ass.

There is nothing better about either style. They are very different and they are designed for totally opposing situations. To compare one to the other is ridiculous.

isnt that so true,
Gravity <3
Who ever was above my other post is a clear example of the above....
he literally didnt even answer your question

I dont understand your attitude mate. Dont get it twisted. Im not saying I personally think deeper dubstep is better than dancefloor stuff, Im not into devision in the scene at all. I like all types of dubstep. I was simply offering an opinion on the above quoted question from Gravity. Im not elitist at all.

I said "the reason that deeper dubstep is regarded as more intelligent.... etc etc" this doesnt mean I personally hold that view but rather it is an opinion on the views of the group of people that Gravity is referring to in his post.

Live and let live. Make what you want.

[decree]

edit: in fact lets expand that to the whole lot. how is deep/minimal/'mature' (read: what the hardcore dubstep types seem to see as the 'real deal') any more intellgint or unique or whatever than tear-out dancefloor dubstep?

The reason the deeper sound is regarded as more intelligent (i dont like that term because it implies tha people making tearout tunes are in some way less intelligent) is because it contains more subtle elements and tends to incorporate more advance sound design techniques. Their tends to be a range of reasons why people make deeper stuff too, to convey a variety of emotions, to describe a variety of experiences and ideals. Where as tearout stuff only tends to serve one purpose, ie to make the dance floor move its collective ass.

There is nothing better about either style. They are very different and they are designed for totally opposing situations. To compare one to the other is ridiculous.

isnt that so true,
Gravity <3
Who ever was above my other post is a clear example of the above....
he literally didnt even answer your question

I dont understand your attitude mate. Dont get it twisted. Im not saying I personally think deeper dubstep is better than dancefloor stuff, Im not into devision in the scene at all. I like all types of dubstep. I was simply offering an opinion on the above quoted question from Gravity. Im not elitist at all.

I said "the reason that deeper dubstep is regarded as more intelligent.... etc etc" this doesnt mean I personally hold that view but rather it is an opinion on the views of the group of people that Gravity is referring to in his post.

Live and let live. Make what you want.

fair enough, it was more about how clear his question was and how no one ever answers it with any finite backing.

i just want to point out that it isn't worth anyones time to explain why one may be considered more intelligent than another because that arguement is not possible and you cannot put weight to anyones opinion in that regard.

Deep is not more intelligent than everything else
and everything else is not more intelligent than Deep

[legend4ry]

If anything I would say when dancefloor/tear out is done well, some of the sound design and technicality of how they use their sounds is very impressive and quite intelligent but to me personally, hardly has any feeling - its just basically saying "look what I have done".

[deadly_habit]

you can debate the technical side and production value and musicality in comparison with each other
content and emotions evoked will always be subjective and a never ending debate

[legend4ry]

I was just speaking my opinion, can't be arsed to get into debate today

[serox]

I think you are so off point it isn't funny.

feel free to explain ur side.

[serox]

serox hates music, it's his Thing and we all gotta have a Thing

on another note i thought the new eskmo album was pretty exciting and i quite like all this dubs n breaks stuff that's happening

the stacks of 12s I own say otherwise. Iv spent years digging deep in crates around Europe looking for gems.

[serox]

yeah when it blinds you into hatred of anything new then I do feel there is something wrong with it. I'm passionate about music too, but i prefer to focus on what I love instead of talking trap about how things are dying or being ruined. I open my ears up to everything and give it a chance, even if initially I don't like it.

not to diss you Serox, i've heard your mixes and they are badass. But being captain negative is clearly your Thing

I got no beef with music because it is 'new' at all. I focus on what i like but i just feel dissapointed with the direction the music has gone. It was the vibe that caught me and thats gone.

I am quite negative tho I admit.

[serox]

We're Londoners, we've seen him play a fair bit in the past 2 years ha! Hes got a fair lot of unreleased stuff, he just needs to get his arse off and start releasing it!

You know what, in the 5 years ive been into this sound, I have never seen youngsta play out. There seems to be a curse of when younx plays and me attending.

Hes one of the best DJs in Dubstep. His mixing is tight and his record selection is the best I have seen compared to ANY other DJ in the game right now. Listening to his radio shows are a pleasure. The bloke has serious flow and knows how what record to put on next, it all fits.

Hes badman.

[serox]

I think the peek of it was horsepower productions! I still can't find anything that really sounds like some of their tunes, a el-b song that comes to mind is probably the closest.

True. Horsepower, EL-B and even Benny Ill. The production was not the best but the tracks were well put together. Everything sounded like it was made to go with each other, top notch sample selection.

[serox]

yeah well the difference is i'm not seeing these datscision kids repeatedly talk about how the scene "lost it years ago". I'd rather see Serox do a mix over those guys any day, but he is still Mr Negative. I'm not judging, I just think it's a shame because music excites me a lot and I wish more people would feel the same way!

Im very excited with the music I am listening too. Its just a shame I have to listen to the same mixes over n over and try to find radio sets from years back to satisfy my needs

Safe Basic