Where do you think this genre's going?

[slothrop]

There was a great blog post by Blackdown with a little diagram of how underground genres evolve - you start off with a big predictable mainstream, and then a few innovators take their own little corner of it that noone cares about it and go off into something weird and different and unpredictable and exciting. And over time, the new scene attracts buzz and grows and more people get into it and start to calcify the rules and structures and stick to the stuff that appeals to a big audience and doesn't confuse saturday night clubbers by being too weird and unpredictable. And before you know it the underground is a new mainstream and there's a bunch of renegades off on the margin doing a new underground thing.

And yeah, the bad news is that that's happening with dubstep like it happens to everything else, but the good news is that there's a lot of new exciting stuff coming out from the margins.

[djake]

next level shit is always eastern europe, that's a fact they always end up on next level years before genres uk invent or invovate. they somehow make shit next level always, hell peep the balkansky lp for example and that's not even newis

Huh? Did you just say Europe is/has been ahead of UK in music? what like DnB, Jungle and Acid House and this thing we call Dubstep? starts here and artists in Europe tend to try make their own version of it and most of it sounds terrible. Dont get me wrong there was some amazing music coming out of Holland, Belguim and Germany. But Eastern Europe?! are you on crack? cannot think of a single genre or artist that is worth mentioning coming from there.

What is next level, noise and shit loads of automation? they are good at making music no one can dance to I give them that

dig a bit deeper.



but then its all subjective anyway, what i say is good you may say is shit...

so its a pointless arguement.

[abZ]

There was a great blog post by Blackdown with a little diagram of how underground genres evolve - you start off with a big predictable mainstream, and then a few innovators take their own little corner of it that noone cares about it and go off into something weird and different and unpredictable and exciting. And over time, the new scene attracts buzz and grows and more people get into it and start to calcify the rules and structures and stick to the stuff that appeals to a big audience and doesn't confuse saturday night clubbers by being too weird and unpredictable. And before you know it the underground is a new mainstream and there's a bunch of renegades off on the margin doing a new underground thing.

And yeah, the bad news is that that's happening with dubstep like it happens to everything else, but the good news is that there's a lot of new exciting stuff coming out from the margins.

Yeah well you know this is true if you have been following music for any amount of time but the problem comes down to the shows itself. Dubstep is getting to the point where it is Datsision, Boregore, Doctror P and all that crap is what people think of when they think of dubstep so if you do a show that is not any of that stuff, it's kinda tough. Either you get a lot of people showing up expecting Rottun or you get people not showing up because they expect Rottun. Lose, lose. Now that what happens in a smaller city such as mine, it may be different in the bigger cities and it's unfortunate that I can't be there instead. Oh shit now this thread has turned into the eternal Brostep thread, Lock it

[deadly_habit]

next level shit is always eastern europe, that's a fact they always end up on next level years before genres uk invent or invovate. they somehow make shit next level always, hell peep the balkansky lp for example and that's not even newis

Huh? Did you just say Europe is/has been ahead of UK in music? what like DnB, Jungle and Acid House and this thing we call Dubstep? starts here and artists in Europe tend to try make their own version of it and most of it sounds terrible. Dont get me wrong there was some amazing music coming out of Holland, Belguim and Germany. But Eastern Europe?! are you on crack? cannot think of a single genre or artist that is worth mentioning coming from there.

What is next level, noise and shit loads of automation? they are good at making music no one can dance to I give them that

not downplaying anyone, just personally to me a genre gets born and i tend to heard stuff from eastern europe that innovates like mad on it with high production value that gets so slept on
dnb wise prode/proket is a great example, current value, dean rodell
cooh/balkansky
and those are just known names off the top of my head bringing original sounds to genres they produce love or hate em

one of my fave tunes ever
russia is the shit for talent imo

[deadly_habit]

oh and germany where i want to move and call my homeland

[legend4ry]

Have you heard that new surge of Russian glitch-hop producers... !

Eastern Europe has some fantastic producers!

[serox]

dig a bit deeper.



but then its all subjective anyway, what i say is good you may say is shit...

so its a pointless arguement.

I do dig deep. I have been going thru bargin basements for time now and am into quite a few rare genres as it goes.

[serox]

not downplaying anyone, just personally to me a genre gets born and i tend to heard stuff from eastern europe that innovates like mad on it with high production value that gets so slept on
dnb wise prode/proket is a great example, current value, dean rodell
cooh/balkansky
and those are just known names off the top of my head bringing original sounds to genres they produce love or hate em

one of my fave tunes ever
russia is the shit for talent imo

That Russian junk above sounds like someone trying to copy Spiral Tribe. Shit, when I played at FrenchTEK many years ago there were about 200 different sound systems ALL playing that same stuff above, hardtek/dnb.

Current Value are alright but have done nothing new at all from what I have heard. Dean Rodel has been making some of the most boring generic Techno for years.

the others I dont really know but I am guessing they are DnB. There might be a handfull of artists who are just making stuff that is more distorted but thats about it, nothing new. To say Eastern Europe are pushing genres more than the UK is a bold statement.

I recon I could put money on it that anything you could by these guys, I could find already done by artists in the UK.

[Genevieve]

Nah, as far as chopping breaks goes, I'm all about the UK (all the junglists and drumfunk heads). But for the hardcore shit, I'm more likely to check USA or mainland Europe based producers. Limewax, SPL, Proket, SFS... all good.

Creative shit? Yeah. To what degree they're actually 'pushing boundaries' though, is up for debate. But I'm damn sure I'm more likely to check that shit than all that run of the mill dancefloor liquid shit that's coming out of the UK by the fuckloads these days.

[drake89]

Interesting replies. I think that if you all want this genre to be around when we're old (im guessing most people on here are 15-30), some people are gonna have to start learning more music theory and practicing REAL instruments more.

I predict the next "star" of dubstep will be a live band. Rusko (at least used to) pull out the bass at some of his shows, I'm sure some of you have seen it in person...

Borgore may still be "up and coming" but fuck, that kind of music isn't sustainable if you want your eardrums intact.

[abZ]

Interesting replies. I think that if you all want this genre to be around when we're old (im guessing most people on here are 15-30), some people are gonna have to start learning more music theory and practicing REAL instruments more.

I predict the next "star" of dubstep will be a live band. Rusko (at least used to) pull out the bass at some of his shows, I'm sure some of you have seen it in person...

Borgore may still be "up and coming" but fuck, that kind of music isn't sustainable if you want your eardrums intact.

DJ's are going 8-track yeah. I think the "live" thing is going to take over eventually but when you start with the whole band thing, although some do that pretty well, it starts to become something else imo. Dubstep is part of the hardcore continuum, dubplate culture. That is at it's essence. Personally I don't care if they are still making dubstep in 20 years. It's all about right now.

[Basic A]

There was a great blog post by Blackdown with a little diagram of how underground genres evolve - you start off with a big predictable mainstream, and then a few innovators take their own little corner of it that noone cares about it and go off into something weird and different and unpredictable and exciting. And over time, the new scene attracts buzz and grows and more people get into it and start to calcify the rules and structures and stick to the stuff that appeals to a big audience and doesn't confuse saturday night clubbers by being too weird and unpredictable. And before you know it the underground is a new mainstream and there's a bunch of renegades off on the margin doing a new underground thing.

And yeah, the bad news is that that's happening with dubstep like it happens to everything else, but the good news is that there's a lot of new exciting stuff coming out from the margins.

Yeah well you know this is true if you have been following music for any amount of time but the problem comes down to the shows itself. Dubstep is getting to the point where it is Datsision, Boregore, Doctror P and all that crap is what people think of when they think of dubstep so if you do a show that is not any of that stuff, it's kinda tough. Either you get a lot of people showing up expecting Rottun or you get people not showing up because they expect Rottun. Lose, lose. Now that what happens in a smaller city such as mine, it may be different in the bigger cities and it's unfortunate that I can't be there instead. Oh shit now this thread has turned into the eternal Brostep thread, Lock it

If you tell us your playing a non-bro set, Ill come running.

[egoless]

But Eastern Europe?! are you on crack? cannot think of a single genre or artist that is worth mentioning coming from there.

What is next level, noise and shit loads of automation? they are good at making music no one can dance to I give them that

I can...

for instance, http://www.petardundov.com/ . This guy (from Croatia) was making foward thinking music while probably you & me were learning how to spell the fucking alphabet... And still in 2010. he keeps his productivity on a good level...

Another worth mentioning is Kiril Dzajkovsky from Macedionia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiril_D%C5%BEajkovski . The guy had his first electronic music band during the 1980ies and is now internationaly acclaimed musician coming from the Eastern europe... He performs his live act with more than 10 musicians and is a hell of a good show...

More recent artists are for instance Gramophondzie from Serbia, recently signed to EMI. And have more than 20 upcoming gigs in UK, Australia, New Zeland, Indonesia, Brazil, Denmark etc. http://www.myspace.com/gramophonedzie

On the "dub side of the moon" (no dubstep) we have a Croatian band called Radikal Dub Kolektiv that play live, band version ( since 2002.) of the uptempo electronic dub music, that released their records on Neil Perch (a guy from Zion Train) label "Universal Egg" and had many European tours... http://www.myspace.com/radikaldubkolektiv

and so on...

All these acts are quite danceable, but if you shit on some music because it's not danceable, you're missing the whole picture of this art... and that's your problem...

Of course the Eastern Europe doesn't have the worlds spotlight on them such as UK and USA (just look at the history and the overall power each stated country had) , and to be precise most people don't give a fuck about the music made there, and I for sure don't give a fuck about where someone is from. But approaching to the topic with completely limited knowledge and with total disrespect to the people that are livin & dealin' with music in these parts of the world is deserving to be treated with disrespect.

Hell, the guy owning this fucking forum is from Croatia, talk about foward thinking lol

[abZ]

There was a great blog post by Blackdown with a little diagram of how underground genres evolve - you start off with a big predictable mainstream, and then a few innovators take their own little corner of it that noone cares about it and go off into something weird and different and unpredictable and exciting. And over time, the new scene attracts buzz and grows and more people get into it and start to calcify the rules and structures and stick to the stuff that appeals to a big audience and doesn't confuse saturday night clubbers by being too weird and unpredictable. And before you know it the underground is a new mainstream and there's a bunch of renegades off on the margin doing a new underground thing.

And yeah, the bad news is that that's happening with dubstep like it happens to everything else, but the good news is that there's a lot of new exciting stuff coming out from the margins.

Yeah well you know this is true if you have been following music for any amount of time but the problem comes down to the shows itself. Dubstep is getting to the point where it is Datsision, Boregore, Doctror P and all that crap is what people think of when they think of dubstep so if you do a show that is not any of that stuff, it's kinda tough. Either you get a lot of people showing up expecting Rottun or you get people not showing up because they expect Rottun. Lose, lose. Now that what happens in a smaller city such as mine, it may be different in the bigger cities and it's unfortunate that I can't be there instead. Oh shit now this thread has turned into the eternal Brostep thread, Lock it

If you tell us your playing a non-bro set, Ill come running.

I pretty much always play non-bro. I did do a couple bro sets last year before it got nutzo. You need to come to the NYE party mang. I am playing like 2-4, impact audio super proper I am dropping all deepncreep subaplenty steez and maybe some funkyish things since I have the time.

[titched]

Please kill me!

i so wish i could unwatch that.

[ironik]

Please kill me!

i so wish i could unwatch that.

aahahahaahahahhahaahahahah

[qwaycee_]

a large part of the genre will most likely fold in on itself, become laughable, and many people will disassociate themselves from it.

then the sort of outer fringes of the sound, the less commonly discussed styles, the more "interesting" parts will spawn other movements.

then those movements will have their own forums (i.e. nu-bassrhythmforum.com)

and then on nu-bassrhythmforum.com you gonna see heads talking about "where do you see nu-bass rhythm heading in 5 years?).

watch for it




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[paradigm_x]

I pretty much always play non-bro. I did do a couple bro sets last year before it got nutzo. You need to come to the NYE party mang. I am playing like 2-4, impact audio super proper I am dropping all deepncreep subaplenty steez and maybe some funkyish things since I have the time.

im 'luckily' in PA over xmas, flying into Pittsburgh as it goes. Leaving 30th tho.

might be able to hook up ? Mayeb going to watch the steelers

To answer thread title, has "down the shitter" been posted yet?

Same as dnb a few years back, the ratio of good:bad is getting ridiculous.

The biggest dubstep dj in manchester wont play my stuff as 'its not dubstep its slow drumnbass / . And hes a mate!

[paradigm_x]

You will be able to push one key on a keyboard and it plays a full guitar riff and people will look back at the days humans had to play instruments in their hands.

Youve not seen akkord on kontakt then

Welcome to 2010 I guess lol

2005!



Its pretty damn good tbh, used it in a remix recently.

[Hurtdeer]

i liked that suckerpunch tune. i thought it was funny as fuck



come on guys, that shit's not taking over, it's just a bunch of kids who've got into dance music in a kind of silly way. Eventually they're going to grow up and turn into pretentious bastards arguing on internet forums just like the rest of us