Céad míle fáilte. My brogue Brothers and Sisters!

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:01 pm

both my parents and my entire family is irish, and i fucking hate st patrick's day. i'd burn every one of those fucking guinness hats if i could

ed g · Post by **ed g** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:01 pm

seckle wrote:chicago, boston and new york have always gone overboard with paddys day.

There's that famous story about when they were recording the video for The Pogue's 'Fairytale of New York.'

The line in the song goes: 'The boys of the NYPD choir were singing "Galway Bay".'

So when they went to do the video they tried to recreate that fictional scene. The NYPD choir doesn't exist so they used the NYPD 'Irish' band.

But the band didn't even know 'Galway Bay', so in the video they had mouth the word to 'Mickey Mouse' instead...

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:04 pm

Mr Hyde wrote:
seckle wrote:my father was born in ireland.

there tends to be a rather extreme proud irish-american connection in certain cities in america, due to the irish being some of the first immigrants to this country. chicago, boston and new york have always gone overboard with paddys day.
Its something i've never really understood in the USA, there are 5 million Irish now, 55 million English, I don't know but guess there was a similar proportion a couple of hundred years ago.

I know loads of Irish went to America because of the famine and other reasons- but there must have been really high numbers of English going over- the majority of the population here were pretty hard up under the control of land owners too. But I am yet to meet an 'English-American',

it is interesting though, because for example; here in new york we have a huge amount of football pubs. so in manhattan there are easily about 10 manchester united pubs, and a few arsenal pubs, but the notion of the proud american englishmen is just not there in american culture.

also, the irish connection has been romanticized by the kennedys in the 60's as well as dozens of irish american hollywood films. it's also no secret that the biggest police and fireman unions in this country have been traditionally dominated by the irish for over a hundred years. in chicago you have 3 of 4 families that have been fire chiefs since the 1800's.

this is just from a quick google:
"By the turn of the century, five out of six NYPD officers were Irish American. Irish Americans continue to have a disproportionate membership in the law enforcement community, especially in New England, where they continue to have a dominating role. When the Emerald Society of the Boston Police Department was formed in 1973, half of the city's police officers became members."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:09 pm

pk- wrote: i'd burn every one of those fucking guinness hats if i could

come on pk. have a pint.

datura · Post by **datura** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:14 pm

pk- wrote:both my parents and my entire family is irish, and i fucking hate st patrick's day. i'd burn every one of those fucking guinness hats if i could

Haha, my dad's N Irish and I feel exactly the same way (as does he). It's just been great marketing by Guinness imho.

datura · Post by **datura** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:15 pm

Ed G wrote:
seckle wrote:chicago, boston and new york have always gone overboard with paddys day.
There's that famous story about when they were recording the video for The Pogue's 'Fairytale of New York.'

The line in the song goes: 'The boys of the NYPD choir were singing "Galway Bay".'

So when they went to do the video they tried to recreate that fictional scene. The NYPD choir doesn't exist so they used the NYPD 'Irish' band.

But the band didn't even know 'Galway Bay', so in the video they had mouth the word to 'Mickey Mouse' instead...

The Pogues are 'plastic paddies' themselves (in Shane McGowan's words).

ed g · Post by **ed g** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:16 pm

seckle wrote: it is interesting though, because for example; here in new york we have a huge amount of football pubs. so in manhattan there are easily about 10 manchester united pubs, and a few arsenal pubs, but the notion of the proud american englishmen is just not there in american culture.

It's the whole civil war thing isn't it. A major part of American history is all about fighting to gain liberation from the English.

So everyone pretends they're Irish instead.

I've never really understood why some American's don't just want to be 'American-Americans'.

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:18 pm

i'm selling my share of some oceanfront property in donegal if anyone's interested.

dubluke · Post by **dubluke** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:22 pm

all i have to say is that in the UK it doesn't take a special day to get people to drink themself blind all weekend

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:27 pm

What about the other demographics that emigrated over there? Dyou get big American-Dutch communities? Wasn't New York originally called New Amsterdam until the english bought it off them?

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:32 pm

seckle wrote:brogue
• n. [usu. in sing.] a marked accent, esp. Irish or Scottish, when speaking English: a fine Irish brogue.

Yes, but Irish people with an Irish accent aren't shoes. Plus was a joke.

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:32 pm

St. Paddy's day is a bit wasted on me because I go to the pub before Celtic games and get steaming guinness with a load of people who think they're Irish every other week.

ed g · Post by **ed g** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:35 pm

jim wrote:St. Paddy's day is a bit wasted on me because I go to the pub before Celtic games and get steaming guinness with a load of people who think they're Irish every other week.

It's annoying actually. St Patrick's Day is the one day where if I do go to the pub I can't get my usual drink (Guinness) because I don't want to look like a wannabe.

pupstar · Post by **pupstar** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:41 pm

i dont know any irish people that actualy like guiness lol

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:18 pm

not many people know that guinness is no longer an irish company. i've had conversations with people that go on and on about harp being the best irish beer and better than guinness and that harp is "older and more irish" and this sort of crap. then; when they've found out that harp and guinness are the same company ;they've said i'm bullshitting. lol

well, the truth is that diageo is the biggest beer company in the world.

they own all of this:

Beer: Guinness, Smithwick's, Red Stripe, Harp Lager, Kilkenny

Scotch whisky: Johnnie Walker, J&B, Bells, Black & White, Vat 69, Oban, Talisker, Lagavulin, Glenkinchie, Dalwhinnie, Cragganmore

Vodka: Smirnoff, Cîroc, Smirnov (Russia)

Gin: Gordon's, Tanqueray, Gilbey's

Rum: Captain Morgan, Bundaberg, Pampero

Bourbon: Bulleit

Canadian whisky: Crown Royal, VO

Irish whiskey: Bushmills

Tennessee whiskey: George Dickel

Tequila: Don Julio

Schnapps: Black Haus

Mixed drinks: Archers, Pimm's

Liqueur: Baileys, Sheridans, Unicum

Wines: Sterling Vineyards, Piat d'Or, Justerini & Brooks, Barton & Guestier, Beaulieu Vineyard, Blossom Hill

pupstar · Post by **pupstar** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:21 pm

seckle wrote:not many people know that guinness is no longer an irish company. i've had conversations with people that go on and on about harp being the best irish beer and better than guinness and that harp is "older and more irish" and this sort of crap. then; when they've found out that harp and guinness are the same company ;they've said i'm bullshitting. lol

well, the truth is that diageo is the biggest beer company in the world.

they own all of this:

Beer: Guinness, Smithwick's, Red Stripe, Harp Lager, Kilkenny

Scotch whisky: Johnnie Walker, J&B, Bells, Black & White, Vat 69, Oban, Talisker, Lagavulin, Glenkinchie, Dalwhinnie, Cragganmore

Vodka: Smirnoff, Cîroc, Smirnov (Russia)

Gin: Gordon's, Tanqueray, Gilbey's

Rum: Captain Morgan, Bundaberg, Pampero

Bourbon: Bulleit

Canadian whisky: Crown Royal, VO

Irish whiskey: Bushmills

Tennessee whiskey: George Dickel

Tequila: Don Julio

Schnapps: Black Haus

Mixed drinks: Archers, Pimm's

Liqueur: Baileys, Sheridans, Unicum

Wines: Sterling Vineyards, Piat d'Or, Justerini & Brooks, Barton & Guestier, Beaulieu Vineyard, Blossom Hill

rahhh, there doing alot.

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:02 pm

whoa, I have just been schooled with alcohol knowledges,

unbelievable. Need to know more. perhaps a conspiracy-suspicious film on this company?

phaelon · Post by **phaelon** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:22 pm

Ed G wrote:I've never really understood why some American's don't just want to be 'American-Americans'.

Because America has very little culture of its own. It was a melting pot of many cultures combined, and everyone wants to celebrate their roots. But many americans (irish or not) still celebrate St. Patricks day as an excuse to start drinknig at 9am.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:47 pm

and it begins once again. tonight at midnight!

liver damage.

HamCrescendo · Post by **HamCrescendo** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:18 pm

I'm english but the majority of my family is irish and all my mates are irish or of direct irish descent so I celebrate St Patricks (I celebrate st. georges aswell, but I seem to be in a minority there and people think im some bnp nutter for doing so. "England doesnt have its own culture," etc. etc)

Went to the parade/festival thing yesterday, took the piss out of the stnuc with the stupid hats and didnt go for a photo finish til we were in Waxys. Was a laugh til I ended up the spare prick at the pub and went home.

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