Zomby at the Manchester Warehouse Project

[dopocc]

oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.

a bit tenuous, don't you think?

Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..

[bagelator]

oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.

a bit tenuous, don't you think?

Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..

ok, you obviously think a lot of zomby's music.

i personally would say you've just drawn up a list of everything his music lacks. but that's just me.

don't get me wrong here, i like zomby's music. that tune operator is big, the original spliff dub etc. but ultimately it's rave music. i think the comparison is unnecessary and pretentious. i also think a Dutch Master had a much more highly defined sense of process and better skills, but like i said, how can you really compare a paintbrush and canvas with cubase/fruity loops and some speakers?

and also, i'm not having a go at you. just saw and opportunity for a discussion.

[dopocc]

oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.

a bit tenuous, don't you think?

Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..

ok, you obviously think a lot of zomby's music.

i personally would say you've just drawn up a list of everything his music lacks. but that's just me.

I respect your opinion but yeah I think Zomby's the best producer out there at least among the ones I am aware of. Peace

[dopocc]

and also, i'm not having a go at you. just saw and opportunity for a discussion.

I know man, same here peace

[exper]

Zomby is as much "rave" as was early Aphex Twin. Pushing its boundaries, bringing in experimental elements and tones, etc. There is alot in his arpeggios. Quite melodic and brilliant.

If it were not for artists like Zomby, Burial and Mount Kimbie, I'd probably never have listened to dubstep.
Oh, and incnic, don't you ever get tired of this?

[musashi_dc]

oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.

a bit tenuous, don't you think?

Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..

ok, you obviously think a lot of zomby's music.

i personally would say you've just drawn up a list of everything his music lacks. but that's just me.

don't get me wrong here, i like zomby's music. that tune operator is big, the original spliff dub etc. but ultimately it's rave music. i think the comparison is unnecessary and pretentious. i also think a Dutch Master had a much more highly defined sense of process and better skills, but like i said, how can you really compare a paintbrush and canvas with cubase/fruity loops and some speakers?

and also, i'm not having a go at you. just saw and opportunity for a discussion.

i think basically everything you said is wrong...
Zomby's work 100% pocesses those qualities...He mixes in so many different styles its near impossible for him not too. Hes literally the only man on earth who could make music in all those different styles and be reguarded as one of the best in each genre he enters. Where were you in 92' is a masterpeice...you say 'ultimately it's rave music'...and is that a negative? Rave music built a generation. The way zomby reverts to that 90's style 10-15 years later just shows his creative genius.
and why not compare his music to art?! just because its obviously not visually appealing does not deter the fact that he may share the same creative attributes that the dutch masters had. Its a different composition yes, but too many its still art.

[apecore]

what are we defining as rave?just out of interest aye

[bagelator]

oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.

a bit tenuous, don't you think?

Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..

ok, you obviously think a lot of zomby's music.

i personally would say you've just drawn up a list of everything his music lacks. but that's just me.

don't get me wrong here, i like zomby's music. that tune operator is big, the original spliff dub etc. but ultimately it's rave music. i think the comparison is unnecessary and pretentious. i also think a Dutch Master had a much more highly defined sense of process and better skills, but like i said, how can you really compare a paintbrush and canvas with cubase/fruity loops and some speakers?

and also, i'm not having a go at you. just saw and opportunity for a discussion.

i think basically everything you said is wrong...
Zomby's work 100% pocesses those qualities...He mixes in so many different styles its near impossible for him not too. Hes literally the only man on earth who could make music in all those different styles and be reguarded as one of the best in each genre he enters. Where were you in 92' is a masterpeice...you say 'ultimately it's rave music'...and is that a negative? Rave music built a generation. The way zomby reverts to that 90's style 10-15 years later just shows his creative genius.
and why not compare his music to art?! just because its obviously not visually appealing does not deter the fact that he may share the same creative attributes that the dutch masters had. Its a different composition yes, but too many its still art.

i like the sounds he makes because the remind me of the first hardcore/rave tunes that i heard when i was a kid, but they're just very well polished imitations to my ears. i appreciate that he is an artist, i just personally think his art lacks the originality of the things he is impersonating. But this is taking a stance of musical puritanism to the extreme as it's impossible to completely detach yourself from the things that have preceded you. he has skills for sure, and you must master the things which have happened before in order to make something truly new, i believe ; I just find that some tracks leave me a bit cold.

[bagelator]

what are we defining as rave?just out of interest aye

[fractal]

zomby gonna zable!

i love when his tracks leave me cold, i love when they get me warm

def not for everyone (just like extreme musical puritanism)

[musashi_dc]

the originality of the things he is impersonating. B.

Hes hardly impersonating anything...he takes influences from past producers yes...but who dosent. Ever producer on earth takes influences from others.the music you grow up boppin to right up to what youve got on your ipod you take influence from...but he 'impersonates' nothing. Infact, his style is his own. if anything its him thats being impersonated by other producers on the block.

[mushug]

anyone got a clip of this Rembrandt remix of What You Talking About that everyone's talking about?

[bagelator]

b2b





big choon

[dopocc]

A magnified listen to Zomby's 'Kaliko'.....



http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =492743019

[incnic]

thanks for the repost

[bagelator]

A magnified listen to Zomby's 'Kaliko'.....



http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =492743019

yeah but he's not playing any of the notes

[bagelator]

To try another metaphor, it’s like various sets of overlaid spinning wheels and polygons of different sizes and shapes in the mind’s eye.

i can definitely hear this in a tune by monolake.

basically it's advanced plate spinning.

[bagelator]

The Zomby EP features some of the best examples of metrical ‘wonkitude’, but the wilder Zomby tracks like ‘Gloop’ and ‘Aquafre5h’ are horrifically difficult to transcribe

errr this whole thing reads like an episode of pseud's corner in private eye.

the only reason it might be 'difficult' to transcribe is that conventional musical transcription doesn't allow for computized musical sequencers, which can produce time signatures and musical landscapes that are very difficult for humans to emulate due to the fact we have limbs, a brain, and a propensity for error.

that said, i would challenge you to find something more complex than some african tribal drum arrangements, which put this shit to shame.

this is just all masturbation for people that want to think that they're whacking one out to art, not porn.

sorry.

anyways, i'm just going to go and piss in the wind for a bit.

[musashi_dc]

The Zomby EP features some of the best examples of metrical ‘wonkitude’, but the wilder Zomby tracks like ‘Gloop’ and ‘Aquafre5h’ are horrifically difficult to transcribe

errr this whole thing reads like an episode of pseud's corner in private eye.

the only reason it might be 'difficult' to transcribe is that conventional musical transcription doesn't allow for computized musical sequencers, which can produce time signatures and musical landscapes that are very difficult for humans to emulate due to the fact we have limbs, a brain, and a propensity for error.

that said, i would challenge you to find something more complex than some african tribal drum arrangements, which put this shit to shame.

this is just all masturbation for people that want to think that they're whacking one out to art, not porn.

sorry.

anyways, i'm just going to go and piss in the wind for a bit.

what the fuck are you on about?

[Acre]

The Zomby EP features some of the best examples of metrical ‘wonkitude’, but the wilder Zomby tracks like ‘Gloop’ and ‘Aquafre5h’ are horrifically difficult to transcribe

errr this whole thing reads like an episode of pseud's corner in private eye.

the only reason it might be 'difficult' to transcribe is that conventional musical transcription doesn't allow for computized musical sequencers, which can produce time signatures and musical landscapes that are very difficult for humans to emulate due to the fact we have limbs, a brain, and a propensity for error.

that said, i would challenge you to find something more complex than some african tribal drum arrangements, which put this shit to shame.

this is just all masturbation for people that want to think that they're whacking one out to art, not porn.

sorry.

anyways, i'm just going to go and piss in the wind for a bit.

what the fuck are you on about?