Emotional epic dubstep geniusness!

[JemGrover]

Well... Pretty safe to say any hint of the original emotional epic geniusness has been rendered well and truly null now.



Well done, lads

[Grumblex]

yh the tune isnt really that amazing imo

[tripwire22]

does i win(rar) !?

[dnbscene_marc]

Two things: one, I am not trying to defend my opinion. An opinion is an opinion when it comes to art and I have a very thick skin after doing this kind of thing for more than 10 years. Besides, I can count maybe 5 people in total out of more than 600+ views who have voiced their disagreement with this tune, so to say my opinion is totally against the grain is pretty self-aggrandising on the part of the small vocal minority here. Secondly, the really sad thing about this is the fact that I posted up a link to a track by a talented up and coming producer (regardless of your views on this track, this is a guy with talent and promise), and rather than encourage or chip in with constructive criticism, the thread seems to have turned into some kind of elitist circle jerk about the definition of emotional electronic music and film scores. That's pretty sad tbh, producers should be supporting each other and helping each other improve. Why has not a single person posted up a constructive critique of the tune to actually help the guy out? The damn form is right there underneath the track page for you to do that, but yet you don't. It's all take take take in the production world and that's what pisses me off, not having my opinion disagreed with. I really couldn't give a shit if you disagree with me, but I will only respect you if you actually put the time in to offer a counterpoint that fits the spirit of help and support that my site was designed to promote, and this forum should be encouraging as well.

And to whoever it was who suggested I'm posting this to promote the idea that my site is better than dubstep forum: don't be an idiot. Of course there's an element of self-promotion with this post, just like every post with a Soundcloud link in the signature has an element of self-promotion, that's just the nature of marketing. But I never once suggested that my site is better, so you are very much standing corrected on that point. From what I've seen so far of dubstep forum, there are a lot of very talented and very well-informed producers who could be doing a lot more to help each other out, that's all.

[tripwire22]

Two things: one, I am not trying to defend my opinion. An opinion is an opinion when it comes to art and I have a very thick skin after doing this kind of thing for more than 10 years. Besides, I can count maybe 5 people in total out of more than 600+ views who have voiced their disagreement with this tune, so to say my opinion is totally against the grain is pretty self-aggrandising on the part of the small vocal minority here. Secondly, the really sad thing about this is the fact that I posted up a link to a track by a talented up and coming producer (regardless of your views on this track, this is a guy with talent and promise), and rather than encourage or chip in with constructive criticism, the thread seems to have turned into some kind of elitist circle jerk about the definition of emotional electronic music and film scores. That's pretty sad tbh, producers should be supporting each other and helping each other improve. Why has not a single person posted up a constructive critique of the tune to actually help the guy out? The damn form is right there underneath the track page for you to do that, but yet you don't. It's all take take take in the production world and that's what pisses me off, not having my opinion disagreed with. I really couldn't give a shit if you disagree with me, but I will only respect you if you actually put the time in to offer a counterpoint that fits the spirit of help and support that my site was designed to promote, and this forum should be encouraging as well.

And to whoever it was who suggested I'm posting this to promote the idea that my site is better than dubstep forum: don't be an idiot. Of course there's an element of self-promotion with this post, just like every post with a Soundcloud link in the signature has an element of self-promotion, that's just the nature of marketing. But I never once suggested that my site is better, so you are very much standing corrected on that point. From what I've seen so far of dubstep forum, there are a lot of very talented and very well-informed producers who could be doing a lot more to help each other out, that's all.

im sorry


i send u this wonderful picture of my favorite girl as a make up

[kaiori breathe]

Secondly, the really sad thing about this is the fact that I posted up a link to a track by a talented up and coming producer (regardless of your views on this track, this is a guy with talent and promise), and rather than encourage or chip in with constructive criticism,

You didn't ask us to encourage or critisise. You said "here's a great tune!" a 'vocal minority' disagreed.

the thread seems to have turned into some kind of elitist circle jerk about the definition of emotional electronic music and film scores. That's pretty sad tbh,

Discussing art is sad now? Why am I even questioning this. This thread isn't a discussion anymore it's a circle jerk so shut up and get your hand on my cock while I talk about Thomas Newman.

producers should be supporting each other and helping each other improve. Why has not a single person posted up a constructive critique of the tune to actually help the guy out?

We do that all the time here. Since posting in this thread I've offered advice to plenty of people on this forum who asked for it. Out of curiosity what have you contributed to the forum today? (rhetoric question, don't worry about answering)

The damn form is right there underneath the track page for you to do that, but yet you don't.

He should make the music he wants to make, if he wants to make music I don't like who am I to tell him to write differently? I'm free to say I don't share your views on it being good but I'm not going to sit and say "write your tunes differently for me".

It's all take take take in the production world and that's what pisses me off, not having my opinion disagreed with. I really couldn't give a shit if you disagree with me, but I will only respect you if you actually put the time in to offer a counterpoint that fits the spirit of help and support that my site was designed to promote, and this forum should be encouraging as well.

That's fair enough on the count of your opinion, but it's not take and take and take, everyone who's posted on this thread contributes in this forum we help each other out and if the guy who wrote that tune came here and asked for crit or if you had asked for crit on his behalf we'd have given it, how can you say it's all take and take and take when in this very forum there's thread after thread of people asking for help and getting it?

And to whoever it was who suggested I'm posting this to promote the idea that my site is better than dubstep forum: don't be an idiot. Of course there's an element of self-promotion with this post, just like every post with a Soundcloud link in the signature has an element of self-promotion, that's just the nature of marketing. But I never once suggested that my site is better, so you are very much standing corrected on that point. From what I've seen so far of dubstep forum, there are a lot of very talented and very well-informed producers who could be doing a lot more to help each other out, that's all.

Personally I've no problem with self-promotion, everyone does it, so I'm not gonna call you on that but other people might since they could see it as advertising.

[Mad_EP]

One way of turning this thread back positive is that people could post their own 'emotional/epic' tracks...

I have to agree that while I wasn't blown away by the first track - it was not because I was hating on it or anything... but rather that there are a number of people here who make quite beautiful tracks, and I love playing them on my show.

Perhaps it would be a way for the OP to find out about other producers capable of making emotional music that he doesn't know about.

[tripwire22]

Soundcloud

ive made a new song its got a nice sample maybe Mad Ep u could play it?

also kai ur killing him just let him go lol

[collective]

blahblahblah

fixed.


Also, we don't usually give criticism to blatant self-promotion (be it of your website or tunes). Had you not started the thread by saying the song was great you probably would have only gotten a couple "not the right thread" responses, but you voiced your opinion so now we voiced ours.

[kaiori breathe]

Soundcloud

ive made a new song its got a nice sample maybe Mad Ep u could play it?

also kai ur killing him just let him go lol

I'm not really, nobody wins on a forum debate man.

Also I know you'd be the first to jump on the "post your own tracks" suggestion lol.

[tripwire22]

of course gotta put up the new work and im a bit surprised our mod hasnt showed up in this thread and kai did u ever get the vocal girl for our song its sorta just sitting and i wanna put it up soon

[pete_bubonic]

Apart from ridiculous male posturing on both sides of the fence in this thread, I don't think anyone has descended to calling each other's mums slags. So I'll let it run for a bit.

Just try not all to be close minded twats. x

[3za]

These are not only emotional, epic, and genius they are also original.
Soundcloud
Soundcloud

So whats are the new rules for posting tunes in the production forum?

If you want to post your own tracks they go up the top for feedback, but its cool to start threads about other peoples tracks?
But then people could get others to post their tracks for them, and it would be spam city.

[Grumblex]

YAY PROMOTION
Soundcloud


FOURTHCOMING ON MIGRATION SOMETIME IN 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tripwire22]

lol i dont think we should turn this into a post a link thread i liked the arguing lol

[joekool]

yall are gay and all this lame crap is the reason i'm going hardstyle in 2011

[pete_bubonic]

So whats are the new rules for posting tunes in the production forum?

If you want to post your own tracks they go up the top for feedback, but its cool to start threads about other peoples tracks?
But then people could get others to post their tracks for them, and it would be spam city.

There aren't 'new' rules to my knowledge, but the guy seemed like he was posting something he found interesting, admittedly a tune, but it sparked some semi interesting points on working in industry, scoring, classical influence and alike. It looked like the thread might be a reasonable discussion about something not totally unrelated to production.

Pete

[Tama Wits]

it's definately not genius

proper nice though, bassline wasn't to siq but the rest was awesome especially the drums

[Tama Wits]

yall are gay and all this lame crap is the reason i'm going hardstyle in 2011

[3za]

There aren't 'new' rules to my knowledge

Well I feel the old rules need updating, because their seems to be some grey area's, like this one.

I don't see how the original post fits in the production forum, it seems like a promotion thread to me.
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The whole way of sharing tracks on this site, just gets more confusing as time goes on, I can see why people end up post tracks in places they are not ment to be. Their are so many different way's of sharing tracks, and the systems foe sharing tracks are not clear at all.

Now after reading all the rules for all the forums, this is my conclusion on the rules for posting tracks.

General Discussion; You can only post reviews on releases. The rules thread on this forum seems to be all about banning, and warning people, it say nothing about posting tracks.

Music (Tunes and Releases);

Forum rules
Thread format: ARTIST - TITLE [LABEL] (cat number and release date optional) and post audio if possible. [Free releases] can be posted here and highlighted after tune information in thread name, but please do not post mixes or dubs here. Requests for tune IDs should go in the dedicated thread.

Now thats a funny one to me, whats the difference between "free releases" and "dubs" ? By looking at the threads in their it seems ok to post links to others tracks for them

Dubs;

members tracks and feedback only

So this is a place to post your own tracks, but not others.

Production:

#3. As fellow producers, we want to hear your tunes, tune ideas, synthesis projects, etc. there's 2 threads up top for feedback-- post 'em there, rather than making a new thread.

So your not aloud to make your own thread for your tracks, and when you do everyone flames you, then the mods lock it. If you want to share your music you put it in the feedback threads(2 of them), but you got to leave thead back first, which some people don't.


So I don't know where this thread should of been posted, and I don't think anyone else knows, but I don't think it should be in the production forum.

I think that the thread turned into being about production is a weak argument for it being here, it could of gone two ways, a alpaca free for all, or a debate, it went down the better road. But this thread is just showing a loop hole in posting tracks, and promoting on the production forum, maybe I was the only one who spotted how this could be abused, but I have now highlighted it for others to see.

I got nothing against the OP, or the MOD's, but I feel this thread does not fit in this forum, and the system for posting tracks could be improved.

Peace,
3za