Production forum IS a place for feedback (again)

[hifi]

wow honestly this new change sucks balls in my own opinion. Sorry for being blunt (in my opinion) this was a step back.

(my opinion.)

the dub section IS A CLUSTERFUCK


FUCK

like seriously not even going to use it at all because it is inefficient and I feel like it's almost like a complete waste of time.

na man na

[Sirius]

i voted for a subforum in dubs.
It will keep everything in order.

Where do I put the BATTLE ROYAL 2 THREAD??

is there a way to make certain threads global?

!!chea

[budsteq]

I dont think there should a WIP thread at all.

I think people should finish their tracks, and then post them for feedback.

The only problem is that most of us are only in the mid kinda stages of production..and we'll probably get ignored lol.

[Muta]

dubs section.. however, no wips, ust finished tracks :]
Andpeople Will have to be using Either the Icons or the [eedback] tags, with alot of people aren't .

[Basic A]

Killed two systems with one change. Just when dubs was gonna get cool, this is really, really lame, and makes me not wanna participate in dubs forum at all, on top of it.

congratulations on not over-reacting

it's blatantly apparent that people are posting tunes that aren't up to scratch in dubs already so not a lot is going to change by making it an official place to do so

Im not, I just said it was taking away a big part of what I liked about the dubs forum, which was being able to count on the tunes being what people would call finished, and being able to get a gauge of where people stand production wise...

And if people have been posting poor tunes in the dubs forum its not my fault lol... I never noticed this apparent problem with the dubs forum, I havent been a member here as long as some of you but, its always seemed okay to me, really, until it started to be medled with...

This whole thing seems like the new wave of mods want to fix alot of things that arent broken, thats all.

[hifi]

dubs section.. however, no wips, ust finished tracks :]
Andpeople Will have to be using Either the Icons or the [eedback] tags, with alot of people aren't .

no, that's a terrible idea. if someone is unsure of a track and have a WIP they would probably want feedback on would be good to post. how about no tags at all just people post what they want and of course rules apply to that like no spam etc... of course if someone is posting there track everywhere then they can get banned but there shouldn't be tags since the person posting a thread in the Dubs section should just put a tag by themselves if it is a work-in-progress or a full track. i don't know it's really late and i'm tired

[AllNightDayDream]

Voted for sticky, but would rather see a subforum. That way different tunes get different threads and discussion about a track can last longer.

[eldoogle]

Voted for sticky, but would rather see a subforum. That way different tunes get different threads and discussion about a track can last longer.

I did the same. I would rather have a subforum in the dubs section. Sorry for voting wrongly.

[Fbac]

Voted for sticky, but would rather see a subforum. That way different tunes get different threads and discussion about a track can last longer.

Sorry did the same, voted for sticky would rather see subforum..

..busy now but will feedback on peoples comments soon... Please feedback on my post PLEASE please sentance structure. grammer? should there be more pink? was going to use a Dancing corn but thought it might be too over the top. Also how do i write posts like datsiks please

[3za]

Happy to see it looks like we are going back to the old way

Sub-forum would be like dubs part 2, and that just sounds pointless to me...

To stop people just leaving crap feedback, we could have a feedback template like this;

Code: Select all

Good points;
1.
2.
3.

Bad points;
1.
2.
3.

additional feedback (optional);

And make a rule that if anyone does not follow the template for feedback they will be ignored.

Peace.

[Basic A]

And make a rule that if anyone does not follow the template for feedback they will be ignored.

But this is completely opposite what got me into the dubs forum... It wasnt about stupid technical crap it was either good tune/bad tune, and otherwise, a place for independant artists to promote thier tracks which werent necessarily going to see a release... All these templates and stuff are sucking the fun, slightly competitive marketing zone aspect of dubs forum away and transforming it into a subsection of the production forum where its all about technical garbage and everyone has to get a "fair shot"...

This time last month the dubs forum was a place for us to promote what we were doing as independants, and have casual conversation, and now its being transformed into a place for technical talk and WIP's, complete with formulas for giving replies.

And on a second thought... all these feedback tags/icons you have to abide by and templates and stuff have technically outlawed the running artist threads that alot of people maintained in dubs forum (me, whyrez, and people like gwn, ect.)

Alot of us were faithful to the dubs forum while everyone else said it was 'broken'... It was a place to promote finished tracks in a free market atmosphere... not have a million formulas...

[-[2]DAY_-]

Finished tunes in Dubs
Snippets of actual WIPs may accompany a specific question or piece of advice (which is relevant to the snippet) in Production threads.
There's honestly no reason to bounce an entire arrangement of a half assed, incomplete dub and post it for feedback.


I still think that's the best way... what else do you need? Unless you hit a particular roadblock with a tune and desperately need technical or creative input from the forum, so you really need to post your WIP. Does it need to be full length?
Do you need a thread full of them?
How often do you really need to do that?

If you can't allow WIP content on the Production forum without it turning into a spam fest, then this place is forsaken.

[Debaser1]

The reason why i prefer it in production is because we're a closely knit bunch in the production forum, and people who use the dubs forum rarely enter into the production forum so feedback tends to be shitty.
About 3 months or so ago feedback in the production forum was great. There were 20/30 people regularly posting tunes and offering sound feedback.

[3za]

And make a rule that if anyone does not follow the template for feedback they will be ignored.

But this is completely opposite what got me into the dubs forum... It wasnt about stupid technical crap it was either good tune/bad tune, and otherwise, a place for independant artists to promote thier tracks which werent necessarily going to see a release... All these templates and stuff are sucking the fun, slightly competitive marketing zone aspect of dubs forum away and transforming it into a subsection of the production forum where its all about technical garbage and everyone has to get a "fair shot"...

This time last month the dubs forum was a place for us to promote what we were doing as independants, and have casual conversation, and now its being transformed into a place for technical talk and WIP's, complete with formulas for giving replies.

And on a second thought... all these feedback tags/icons you have to abide by and templates and stuff have technically outlawed the running artist threads that alot of people maintained in dubs forum (me, whyrez, and people like gwn, ect.)

Alot of us were faithful to the dubs forum while everyone else said it was 'broken'... It was a place to promote finished tracks in a free market atmosphere... not have a million formulas...

Think you got it twisted man, I am on about the feedback threads for wips. I think the dubs is all good how it runs, and even better with the tags now.

My point is that we need some where for producers to get feedback on the wips, and help each other out, I think it would be best to keep that out of the dubs, and have it in one thread.

My point with the feedback template, is to stop people just dropping there track in, and giving crap feedback in the feedback thread like;

@ Debaser1; sick tune
@-[2]DAY_-; love the wobbles
@ Basic A; trippy man

That is bollocks feedback, my mum gives me better feedback than that

So I was thinking if their was a template, the quality of feedback would be better. I know some people even using a template would still leave shit feedback, but on the whole it should improve it.

Peace.

[alexvont12]

Just saying, in the thread I would always get helpful feedback, a little bit at a time, but helpful. It was helping me improve at producing, figure out what I was doing wrong, all that. Thread closed so I posted in Dubs and all I got was a few people telling me, you sound like a newbie, your not ready to post in Dubs section, read the production bible (I have), come back in six months when your better... and then 1 person with some actual feedback.

[legend4ry]

I don't know about you guys but when i give feedback to people I sit there and do a mental checklist as its playing.

Intro -
Good sounds?
Interesting?
Does 'go' with the drop?

Drop/main section -
Has it got groove?
Whats the mix like?
Musically, does it need something more?

Rest of the tune -
Is it progressing nicely?
Whats the structure like? (Ask if its supposed to be DJ friendly, if it is - is it actually?)
Would I play it out or buy it?


This easily typed while the tune is playing (what else are you going to go while its playing apart from search the internet?) so its really not that much of a big deal - sure, sometimes you can write a mini essay but i'm sure the person will appreciate it!

I give feedback to help other people become better producers - not to get feedback myself so I don't mind dissecting a tune and telling people everything I hate and love about it and I don't think people should give feedback if they have any other motive.

[Debaser1]

Legend4ry I agree but not many people are going to adhere to that; especially in the dubs section.
That feedbacking structure you propose is a a good paradigm, but I can guarantee that over half of the forum will ignore that. Plus, if you propose a model like that for everyone to use, people might me less likely to want to do it then; or they'll adhere to that system but do the bare minimum.
Personally, I don't really have a system, I just try and give as many tips and hinters as I can until it feels unnatural. Whether it be production wise, or just listening wise then surealy you give as much as you can as long as it doesn't feel forced.
This is why I prefer it in the production forum, because I think you're more likely to get sound feedback.

[badger]

people need to stop viewing production and dubs as completely separate entities. there often seems to be an us and them mentality within different sub-forums and there doesn't need to be, and it's certainly not helpful. the fact of the matter is that feedback threads shouldn't ever have been in here really. things like WIP are a bit of a middle ground/grey area where people can get more technical advise on how to improve on existing ideas, before the track is finished. i'm happy to admit that we may have got it wrong not including that here so if there's a consensus to change that then fine

Just saying, in the thread I would always get helpful feedback, a little bit at a time, but helpful. It was helping me improve at producing, figure out what I was doing wrong, all that. Thread closed so I posted in Dubs and all I got was a few people telling me, you sound like a newbie, your not ready to post in Dubs section, read the production bible (I have), come back in six months when your better... and then 1 person with some actual feedback.

you can't control what people say in feedback, but if people have some criticism then it should always be constructive so that it encourages progression and doesn't put newbies off. perhaps if people repeatedly offend then mods can have a word with them

but at the same time - and don't take this as an attack on you as i'm at work and can't actually listen to your stuff - there's a lot to be said for not putting your tunes out there unless they are actually ready to be heard by other people. it's understandable for people to get excited at their latest work and want to share it but they should objectively look at it (and maybe get opinions from mates etc) and decide whether it's genuinely up to scratch. if it's not then sit on it and wait until you've got something that will really knock someones socks off. it's counter productive to put things out too early in the learning process as you're likely to give yourself a bad name and people will end up ignoring you

with regards to a template any kind of rigid rule is unlikely to help with those that are causing the problems to begin with; will put people off helping and drive some away... however, having a suggested template isn't going to be a bad thing. those that are in the mindset to help will have a better idea of how to do it and for the others that can't be arsed to help with in depth feedback they will at least hopefully be able to say whether they like it or not - which is better than nothing... as long as it's not unecessarily offensive

[graish]

I voted for sub forum in dubs/feedback.

I think the dubs section should be for showing/giving away tunes and there should be a separate section for feedback.

[eldoogle]

I voted for sub forum in dubs/feedback.

I think the dubs section should be for showing/giving away tunes and there should be a separate section for feedback.

I agree. WIPs shouldn't have their own threads if shared with finished tunes. WIP's need feedback and then need to be forgotten. Thats why I liked the thread so much because once you got feedback, it was pushed back and forgotten.

Now in the Dubs forum it isn't so much a problem besides the fact that it'll push back others finished songs. So IMO it basically hurts the free 320 givers, not the ones needing feedback.