Is dubstep just garage slowed down?

numaestro · Post by **numaestro** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:02 pm

adam_misst wrote:garage = attitude
dubstep = peace

UK garage sort of got into that - or at least some parts of it - but hey are we talking about garridge or garage (american style). That was all about love and expanding the mind.

UKG had/has? a lot of aspects - it was a bit of an umbrella term. There are dubby two-steppas that are very near some of the tunes of today - standard. You can't put music into narrow categories.

Just felt like confusing the issue further

kidlogic · Post by **kidlogic** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:07 pm

Do you mean Garage as in New York garage, or New Jersey garage, or old school Chicago house?

I thought this was a Dubstep vs Garage Rock thing anyway...

Oh and ROSCOE'S FTW!

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:06 pm

kidlogic wrote:Do you mean Garage as in New York garage, or New Jersey garage, or old school Chicago house?

UK

drum syndicate · Post by **drum syndicate** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:07 pm

I need to go back to LA for some Roscoes.

kidlogic · Post by **kidlogic** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:15 pm

UFO over easy wrote:
kidlogic wrote:Do you mean Garage as in New York garage, or New Jersey garage, or old school Chicago house?
UK

Its all about White Stripes cover bands

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:26 pm

Was raggage like the original grime?

bagelator · Post by **bagelator** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:05 pm

i really like this garage

jas nasty · Post by **jas nasty** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:07 pm

metalboxproducts wrote: The only reason you make 2 step is because you want to get your dirty end away. You think girls in slinky silver skirts are gonna jump at you as soon as you play a bit of garage don't you.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

jas nasty · Post by **jas nasty** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:14 pm

good lord what a ridiculous thread so far.

I think it's getting to the point you can't just say "dubstep" anymore.

I don't think these recent halfstep releases coming out now have much to do with early Tempa Allstars/ 2004 Kode 9/ Loefah/Digital Mystikz etc. stuff......i mean you can barely mix it.....

just lilke UKG...yeah there are tons of dubby 2-step tunes that have much to do with early dubstep....HAtcha/Youngsta/El-B etc etc roots of dubstep etc...
but there are also tons of super RNB, basically cheesy house tunes as well...

but what do i know

carry on being ridiculous!

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:46 am

There is nothing wrong with ridiculous thread themes.

Aren't The White Stripes just a cover's band anyway?

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:00 pm

jas nasty wrote: I don't think these recent halfstep releases coming out now have much to do with early Tempa Allstars/ 2004 Kode 9/ Loefah/Digital Mystikz etc. stuff......i mean you can barely mix it.....

Of course you can.

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:27 pm

lol metalbox u crack me up bruv...

i dunno about all this sped-up slowed-down other types of music business... it all sounds the same to me...

i just like dubstep cos the NME said it was the latest hip sound on the street worl yeah blud still innit!

jokes

skrewface · Post by **skrewface** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:25 pm

jason burns wrote:what can dubstep learn from chicken and waffles?

LOL

jas nasty · Post by **jas nasty** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:57 pm

UFO over easy wrote:
jas nasty wrote: I don't think these recent halfstep releases coming out now have much to do with early Tempa Allstars/ 2004 Kode 9/ Loefah/Digital Mystikz etc. stuff......i mean you can barely mix it.....
Of course you can.

i didn't say you couldn't.
I meant that i don't normally do it, I don't find that it works that well most of the time, personally.

It's not just about the bpm, it's the whole feel/timbre etc of the tunes as well.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:07 pm

I find limiting yourself to one vibe pretty dull.. it's possible if you work to play across the board and still have it feel natural... check out a oneman set sometime, he does it best

battering all the new releases is easier though for sure

jas nasty · Post by **jas nasty** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:36 pm

I was talking about how i wouldnt mix one with the other, back to back necesarily,
not saying i only play one vibe the whole set!
I always play very eclectic sets.

i actually play ALL over the board....

(bass, booty/ghettotech, techno, breaks, electro, disco, rock etc etc etc)

so for me to even stick to dubstep/2-step/grime etc is limiting enough....

but all this is "ridiculous" digression...

all i set out to say in the beginning is that i feel that using the term dubstep is becoming increasingly vague these days, due to the way that different sounds/styles are carving different paths...at least i think so.

so given that, of course some dubstep may indeed be akin to slowed down garage!
But some is not at all........

sometimes i think it's irrevlevant to talk about music so much.
just listen to some, make some, or skank out.......

i'm out.

damn you metalboxproducts!
how did i dragged in???
LOL

drew · Post by **drew** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:33 am

bagelator wrote:i really like this garage

This one is much better. It has a little office upstairs.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:43 am

obIwan wrote:Was raggage like the original grime?

I got the idea it was speed garage with ragga vocals, or tunes that were speed garage with less house and rnb influence, the rudeboy end of speed garage at the time - the vocal version of Ripgroove by Double 99 (can't remember who the vocalist was though). Think this was late 90's though and don't think grime really started coming out until 2001 (may be wrong in this)

Think the basslines were more jungle/dnb influenced generally.

Not too sure about the timeline on this, but I think the original grime was something more to do with Agent X doing more brutal basslines and lyrics getting more "real". Pretty sure Roar Beats by Corporation of London's proto-grime.

Probably best to ask Tronman, he knows his shizzle

djbmc · Post by **djbmc** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:11 am

Grime started with 8 bar, like the roar beats tune, and pulse x and of course eskimo. Raggage came about the time of 138 trek and buddah finger. It was basically dub, with a 2 step beat

signus · Post by **signus** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:23 am

Jesus christ this thread is confusing/hilarious

Is dubstep just garage slowed down?

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