Icelandic Grime ((GRÆM))

[jugo]

grime... hm.... hey europe, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around the united states for over 30 years now. it's called rap, and/or hip-hop.

this stuff might be new to you but it's been around west africa since the 14th century.
it's called preserving history through a vast repertoire of richly detailed chronicles set to music (which admittedly isn't a very catchy title).

[kingGhost]

grime... hm.... hey europe, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around the united states for over 30 years now. it's called rap, and/or hip-hop.

rap...hm...hey america, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around europe for over 1000 years now. it's called music, and/or compositions.


Would you call Dubstep the same as Drum n Bass? House the same as Techno? Of course you wouldn't, except in this case where the mind numbingly ignorant case of patriotism has blinded your deluded opinion.

rap is a massive genre, just like edm is.

i don't see the difference between rap and grime, besides the accents of the rappers. sorry.

[jugo]

grime... hm.... hey europe, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around the united states for over 30 years now. it's called rap, and/or hip-hop.

rap...hm...hey america, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around europe for over 1000 years now. it's called music, and/or compositions.


Would you call Dubstep the same as Drum n Bass? House the same as Techno? Of course you wouldn't, except in this case where the mind numbingly ignorant case of patriotism has blinded your deluded opinion.

rap is a massive genre, just like edm is.

i don't see the difference between rap and grime, besides the accents of the rappers. sorry.

do you see the difference between a dog and a cat?
they both have 4 legs and are mammals, so they're the same thing right?

[badger]

grime... hm.... hey europe, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around the united states for over 30 years now. it's called rap, and/or hip-hop.

rap...hm...hey america, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around europe for over 1000 years now. it's called music, and/or compositions.


Would you call Dubstep the same as Drum n Bass? House the same as Techno? Of course you wouldn't, except in this case where the mind numbingly ignorant case of patriotism has blinded your deluded opinion.

rap is a massive genre, just like edm is.

i don't see the difference between rap and grime, besides the accents of the rappers. sorry.

so this is rap and/or hip hop is it?





etc

now obviously those are instrumentals (the best part of grime imho), but if you can't see how adding an MC on top of that makes it entirely different to hip hop then well.... back to this again

that's like saying that tango is the same as heavy metal because they both use guitars

[Pistonsbeneath]

i want strung up vip on wax

i usually play out onemans bootleg of it

you wanna sell it to me badger?

[.onelove.]

grime... hm.... hey europe, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around the united states for over 30 years now. it's called rap, and/or hip-hop.

rap...hm...hey america, this stuff might be new to you but it's been around europe for over 1000 years now. it's called music, and/or compositions.


Would you call Dubstep the same as Drum n Bass? House the same as Techno? Of course you wouldn't, except in this case where the mind numbingly ignorant case of patriotism has blinded your deluded opinion.

rap is a massive genre, just like edm is.

i don't see the difference between rap and grime, besides the accents of the rappers. sorry.

Then you're a mong.

Unless your distinction of rap and grime is 'urban youths speaking fast over music', then I fail to grasp how someone isn't capable of differentiate between the two. Unless you just lack basic understanding of music?


Cue 'lololol i waz trollin!!!!!'

[kingGhost]

rap music is music that is rapped over. a rap song with no lyrics would not be a rap song. rapping is a distinct style of lyricism, that is why it is different from singing or spoken word. US rap music samples every genre from rock to techno... saying the type of instrumental makes it another genre, when there is, in fact, rapping over it... is pointless. just makes a distinction so you can tell other people you listen to this certain genre. oh well. i'm not saying don't call it grime. are you mad?

i feel like i'm the one being trolled here. feels like the same thing that happened in 00-02 when sage francis et al were very popular and people were very distinct to let others know that they listened to "hip hop" and not "rap."

[.onelove.]

Ok.

Are you familiar with drum patterns, track tempos and other musical arrangements?

Would you consider Rap as Reggae since toasting MCs pre-dates the existence of Hip-Hop?

[kingGhost]

Ok.

Are you familiar with drum patterns, track tempos and other musical arrangements?

Would you consider Rap as Reggae since toasting MCs pre-dates the existence of Hip-Hop?

read my edit breh

[kingGhost]

actually, i don't feel like arguing. admittedly, i don't listen to grime, or grime instrumentals. fine, you win this one. we won the revolutionary war, and that is enough for me.

[.onelove.]

It's not about 'instruments'. It's about fundamental aspects of a genre that make it distinctive and instantly recognizable. If a Grime track is played in the rave there isn't the doubt whether or not it's Hip-Hop, they'll just completely different. Even the 'rapping', different flows, different sound, hardly comparable even in that small aspect. Like has been mentioned, Grime is most about the instrumentals if anything, you could argue the difference between Grime and Dubstep are negligible, but never Hip-Hop and Grime.

Also, let me re-iterate my question in the post before. Do you consider Rap as Reggae? If not your entire argument falls down.

actually, i don't feel like arguing. admittedly, i don't listen to grime, or grime instrumentals. fine, you win this one. we won the revolutionary war, and that is enough for me.

So you don't listen to Joker, Plastician, or even Skream then?


Referring it back to nationality again just re-highlights how ignorant your initial remark was

[badger]

rap music is music that is rapped over. a rap song with no lyrics would not be a rap song. rapping is a distinct style of lyricism, that is why it is different from singing or spoken word. US rap music samples every genre from rock to techno... saying the type of instrumental makes it another genre, when there is, in fact, rapping over it... is pointless. just makes a distinction so you can tell other people you listen to this certain genre. oh well. i'm not saying don't call it grime. are you mad?

i feel like i'm the one being trolled here. feels like the same thing that happened in 00-02 when sage francis et al were very popular and people were very distinct to let others know that they listened to "hip hop" and not "rap."

yeah but there isn't always rapping over it. i almost never play a grime vocal, so am i playing hip hop?

i'm utterly lost for words if you can't see the difference between grime which is derived from, and essentially is, garage; and hip hop. you're right in saying that rap is rap, but when people say rap and mean hip hop they're being fucking idiots because rap and hip hop are not the same thing. of course rap is part of hip hop, but rap's part of many things just like any other element of music be it instruments, singing etc

the sage francis comparison is stupid because that style of music quite clearly emerged from an established hip hop scene, whereas grime emerged out of garage which is a completely different style of music with extremely different roots

[jugo]

actually, i don't feel like arguing. admittedly, i don't listen to grime, or grime instrumentals. fine, you win this one. we won the revolutionary war, and that is enough for me.

[kingGhost]

real question: a garage track becomes grime when rapped over?

[badger]

real question: a garage track becomes grime when rapped over?

no...

garage with an MC:


grime:


probably confusing things a bit there because that roll deep tune was before grime actually existed as a name for the genre and it was still just about part of the garage scene, but all the elements are there

a more obvious grime tune:


you can hear from the beats in the dizzee tune that it's moved away from the usual twostep beats of garage

[kingGhost]

ok, thank you. a response much better than a bunch of angry words and name calling. "mong" - really? i'm hurt.

[noam]

when it comes to grime, would all of you lot agree that its more to do with instrumentals really??

surely a massive part of what makes grime what it is is the mc'ing, or the 'rapping' over it... the aggression and attitude, the hype created my mc's FOR certain instrumentals, how many other genre's is it normal to release a 'mixtape' of the same track, with 30 mc's spitting over it? that to me is grime, you got your instrumentals, and you got your mc's - without one the other isn't important

some people just dont like vocals when they mix, or dont like mc'ing full stop, it doesn't make mc'ing less important to the music though i dont think

[jugo]

real question: a garage track becomes grime when rapped over?

no - does a hip hop tune become rock when a guitar is played over?




where does this fit in your music definition classification system?

[badger]

when it comes to grime, would all of you lot agree that its more to do with instrumentals really??

it is to me but not for most people i wouldn't have thought. for people coming into grime from the same kind of musical background (and general upbringing too) as us the instrumental will always be more important but for your general inner city youth it's probably the opposite, and the beats just provide a platform for the MC

surely a massive part of what makes grime what it is is the mc'ing, or the 'rapping' over it... the aggression and attitude, the hype created my mc's FOR certain instrumentals, how many other genre's is it normal to release a 'mixtape' of the same track, with 30 mc's spitting over it? that to me is grime, you got your instrumentals, and you got your mc's - without one the other isn't important

some people just dont like vocals when they mix, or dont like mc'ing full stop, it doesn't make mc'ing less important to the music though i dont think

pretty much yeah

MCing is undoubtedly fundamental to grime and its development; but that doesn't mean i like it most of the time the hype element of MCing does my nut in tbh but it's basically what grime is to a lot of people

[noam]

yeh i gotta admit, sometimes its stupid, but i fucking LOVE mc'ing as long as its good

too many times i just hear shit comin out of peoples mouths

have a few mates who mess about with mc'ing and they dont take it seriously but its just... shit... mostly... i mean being fair they never write anything down, just try and do it off the top of their heads which is admirable but to me you have to have already reached a certain standard of written work before you can even think about real freestyling but i dont do it so i leave em to it for the most part