hardware used in early garage production?

[collective]

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(joly modded)

Kind of lost faith in Joly when he started pushing the mxl 2003a. Thought that mic sounded poo poo compared to others in its price range. Could pick that mic out of any blind matchup.

Have an AT 4047 coming in the post, can't wait.

LOL of course the mxl sounds like shit in its price range that's why he mods it, and doesn't mod things like the nt5 that is moderately priced but sounds decent. Also I know your a spouting bs if you think you could tell a modded mxr from joly in a mic shoot out... Its already been done on gearslutz and none of the real engineers over there could distinguish.

If you talking biz on joly mods I think you are barking up the wrong tree, you don't have the ears that professionals do (no disrespect its just obvious no one here does). There is a reason he is so respected in the community...also curious which mods have you heard?

[-[2]DAY_-]

whenever i use the JV's i hook my controller into its midi in and record the audio live. Is there a way to send midi out of my computer to it, so I can quantize in my DAW? (i'm kind of a shit keyboard player). thinkin' i need a midi interface of some sort.

[legend4ry]

whenever i use the JV's i hook my controller into its midi in and record the audio live. Is there a way to send midi out of my computer to it, so I can quantize in my DAW? (i'm kind of a shit keyboard player). thinkin' i need a midi interface of some sort.

Yeah - you'll need to bring midi out from your computer into midi in of the JV then record the audio back in.


Or you could just practice to a click, build multi samples or use a audio quantiser?

[nowaysj]

Sorry op!

@ Collective, no not picking the modded mxl in blind tests, but I'd like to give it a shot , Joly was pushing the nonmoded mxl 2003a as a superior mic in that price range, and it was one of the worst to my ears in several shoot outs I heard, so bad I could spot it every time. Not dissing on Joly, I did listen to some of his mods they still sounded sibilant and veiled, likely better than the original mics, for sure though. Never had him do anything for me, so can't say for myself.

[collective]

Sorry op!

@ Collective, no not picking the modded mxl in blind tests, but I'd like to give it a shot , Joly was pushing the nonmoded mxl 2003a as a superior mic in that price range /quote]


Having actually handled and utilized a U87 and my modded nt2 at the same time, I can tell you his mods are fantastic, i dont care what low end mics he hypes.

Not dissing on Joly, I did listen to some of his mods they still sounded sibilant and veiled, likely better than the original mics, for sure though.

I got an issue with this, you are acting like you have some reservoir of knowledge and experience... Have you seen half these mics in person, let alone used them?

I am willing to bet right now, given your lack of experience, that if I sat you infront of a recording with a u87 and mod'd nt2 you would not be able to tell the difference. You are not a professional and to say that they still sound sibilant and veiled is...well I'll just say you don't have the trained ears to really have the ground to stand on and make a statement like that.

Now had I heard this from someone who had actually handled/used/recorded with all the mics then I would think they have something to say and I would listen attentively.

I hope you enjoy the AT4047, would like to hear what you think about that when you use it. SO many mics, so little time.

[Sharmaji]

the joly fathead w/ the transformer is nice. Not as much presence as a royer,but also not even 1/2 the price. lovely on bright things, trumpets and the like, not my fave on percussion-- will stick w/ the woodpecker blues for that.

i've got an mxl v67g that i inherited here; been thinking of sending it along to joly to turn it into a mic'd i'd actually use.

[nowaysj]

Morphing into a mic thread, and seems Joly is infecting dsf as well?

I have no great reservoir of knowledge, a little experience. I have some experience with a variety of Neumanns, but that was a long time ago. Recorded with them in an academic setting. Recorded with NT1 (no mods) when they first hit GC back in the day. Nothing special. I'm not like a Neumann fan boy holding them out as the gold standard or anything. I don't even really like professional sound I prefer "demo sound" for whatever reason, just a personal preference.

I listened to some of Joly's modded Octavias, and did not like the sounds I was hearing. Simple as that, harsh from 3k up, and sounded like a step back, like an audio film. I haven't really paid much attention to his products, honestly. And I'm not putting them down, likely are a way to achieve very good quality results at a serious discount. But as you say, I'm not a professional recording engineer. I record occasionally for my own projects and very occasionally for professional projects.

Getting that 4047 for a specific singer that has a bit of a sibilance problem. From what I've been able to sleuth out from 4047 recordings is that the whole sibilance range is tamed, then just a little air and sharpness before it rolls off. Should fit the profile of this voice, but I'm majorly crossing my fingers. Bought this mic new despite my decidedly used mentality.

[collective]

<3

Question then, you think stock nt1, nt2s are better than none? WHat mic's where you listening to, harsh from 3k up? I understand what you are saying, I just don't hear that.

Both our ears are fucked. But when we can afford the beast mic's all will be well. Man oh man, when I was at fantasy studios I got to handle some amazing gear, I'll forever long for that.

[collective]

the joly fathead w/ the transformer is nice. Not as much presence as a royer,but also not even 1/2 the price. lovely on bright things, trumpets and the like, not my fave on percussion-- will stick w/ the woodpecker blues for that.

i've got an mxl v67g that i inherited here; been thinking of sending it along to joly to turn it into a mic'd i'd actually use.

Fathead sounds nice.

I would go for the mxl mod man, despite what nowaysj says. . You record a bit?

[nowaysj]

Question then, you think stock nt1, nt2s are better than none?

Oh hell no, mod em up

WHat mic's where you listening to, harsh from 3k up? I understand what you are saying, I just don't hear that.

Pretty sure it was the Oktava mk219. Don't know what level of mod it was.

Both our ears are fucked.

That is 4sure. My right ear is down 28db between 4-8khz. Definition of fUUUUUcked.

when I was at fantasy studios I got to handle some amazing gear, I'll forever long for that.

Remember shopping for mics in LA in the early 90's and seeing a row of used u87i's, being like you want $1,000! for a used u87i, get outta here...

And Sharmaji, don't listen to Collective, nwj says get it moded (then pop it in the post to the west coast )

[contakt321]

i'll give you this-- nothing else sounds like a midiverb, for better or worse

FWIW the roland space echo pedal is bananas for reverb-- doesn't sound too far off from my actual space echo, but with the added pluses of always turning on, not having the knobs crackle, and having a WAY hotter output. we're just beginning to incorporate them into our live sets-- super exciting.

Indeed! Price could never be better for low to mid priced hardware and I can't resist getting a techno/house classic.

As for delay - I am researching a few units. My buddy got a Roland RE-150 for a steal. Ideally I would love to get one of those. Looking at some Ibanez racks, and few pedals too.

Question for you Sharmaji: How do you do 3/16th delays on tape echos? By ear? It's easy to get on beat delays for 1/16 or 1/8th - is it hard to get 3/16th by ear on tape delays?

[collective]

i'll give you this-- nothing else sounds like a midiverb, for better or worse

FWIW the roland space echo pedal is bananas for reverb-- doesn't sound too far off from my actual space echo, but with the added pluses of always turning on, not having the knobs crackle, and having a WAY hotter output. we're just beginning to incorporate them into our live sets-- super exciting.

Indeed! Price could never be better for low to mid priced hardware and I can't resist getting a techno/house classic.

As for delay - I am researching a few units. My buddy got a Roland RE-150 for a steal. Ideally I would love to get one of those. Looking at some Ibanez racks, and few pedals too.

Question for you Sharmaji: How do you do 3/16th delays on tape echos? By ear? It's easy to get on beat delays for 1/16 or 1/8th - is it hard to get 3/16th by ear on tape delays?

echoplex ep3 for 400 on clist right now. thinking about snagging.

But i'd rather get one of these: http://www.fulltone.com/tte.asp ... sweeeeeet lord.


i have been having good luck with my own tape delay creations actually.

[AxeD]

Learned a few things from this, not even that interested in garage Was like when he showed how he made the bass though.


Don't know shat about hardware though, seems I can get some nice sounding stuff going with just a DAW and a midi-controller.