On the use of the terms " dub " / " dubplate

[robbiej]

and to anyone who thinks someone who uses digital anything isn't a real dj, let's step to the decks (all vinyl)

lol that doenst even make sense. you're gonna prove that digital dj's are just as good by mixing vinyl? how does that work? and you resemble a remark ? what the hell does that mean? haha

[efa]

lets me know immediately (save for acouple of big names who play all off dubplate) if its a real deejay or a digital version of one....

i resemble that remark (digitally speaking).

and to anyone who thinks someone who uses digital anything isn't a real dj, let's step to the decks (all vinyl). make sure you have someone nearby to hand you a tissue after i wipe the floor with your ass. (note the winky face...i ain't tryin' to be belligerent, just truthful)

back on topic: dubs...dubplates....dubble bubble. i could give a toss if the music's good.

as long as this happens...

...all is well with my world.

Seconded, Plastician anyone?

I really couldnt care less, I'm all up for evolving slang terms so all the tunes I make are "Dubs" and I call tunes off here "Forum Dubs" I only really call them that in Dubstep though? Interesting thread though.

[djshiva]

and to anyone who thinks someone who uses digital anything isn't a real dj, let's step to the decks (all vinyl)

lol that doenst even make sense. you're gonna prove that digital dj's are just as good by mixing vinyl? how does that work? and you resemble a remark ? what the hell does that mean? haha

the resemble that remark thing is an old joke. if i have to explain...well...i think i won't.

my point was that, while right now i have been using digital means (i use ableton live to play dubstep) to play the music, my love has always been, is now, and always will be spinning records on two (or three if you prefer) turntables. but it takes something more than the ability to beatmatch two records together to be a dj. it takes an ear for music, an eye for what's moving the crowd, and a love for the mix.

and you ask how would i prove my point that a dj using digital mediums could wipe the floor with your ass? by being a damn good dj who knows how to pick the right tracks at the right moment, mix them together to form something bigger than the tunes themselves, and school peeps on how to work the decks and the faders. and i could do the same with turntables or with ableton, just in different fashion. take out the beatmatching (which i do quite well, thankyouverymuch), and THE EXACT SAME SKILLS APPLY. and i don't even need to tell you why someone who uses serato or final scratch is still a dj. they're still using turntables, aren't they? CDJs? same concepts, different medium. next...

so in summation: if you think that just because someone uses some form of digital medium to present the music makes them any less of a dj (or a "fake" dj), you are missing the fucking point.

that's all. continue talk about plates. i like round ones. you?

[robbiej]

[paolo]

This is slightly offtopic, but could someone please explain the difference between a dub (in the original sense), a version and an instrumental? By the original sense I mean the way a dub was originally a version of a tune with the vocals removed (unless I'm much mistaken)

[boomnoise]

This is slightly offtopic, but could someone please explain the difference between a dub (in the original sense), a version and an instrumental? By the original sense I mean the way a dub was originally a version of a tune with the vocals removed (unless I'm much mistaken)

ok, here's my attempt at some clarity:

dub - a version, often with the vocals removed, sometime extended. comes out of dub reggae. in this context no one really makes dub versions in dubstep but hence the dub in the name

dubplate - then you have the original dubs which were dubplate specials, tracks with vocals recorded especially for certain soundsystems. not necessarily dub music.

an instrumental version of a track is essentially the same thing but in other music genres.

see also riddims in dancehall and reggae; different to a dub in the sense that the track is intended to be versioned by different vocal artists.

anyone correct me if i'm not entirely straight on this

[dub boy]

Im with ThinKing

I cut dubplates. If i play off cd (which is hardly ever) then im NOT playing a dub, im playing a cd. Simple

[7"]

7" stills a dubplate a dubplate has a goal, test recordings, unreleased recordings or exclusives trax, someway when people post their tracks here they call them dubplates.

[chef]

Im with ThinKing

I cut dubplates. If i play off cd (which is hardly ever) then im NOT playing a dub, im playing a cd. Simple

Same yasa.

Come on guys, an unreleased exclusive mp3 isn't a dub wether its made by Skream or Mr Bloggs.

[nirz]

yeah .. dubs dubplates .. atleast have to be cut for me.. even if its just an unreleased tune.. but callin mp3s dubs is'nt the one... they are bits or traks

[boomnoise]

Im with ThinKing

I cut dubplates. If i play off cd (which is hardly ever) then im NOT playing a dub, im playing a cd. Simple

Same yasa.

Come on guys, an unreleased exclusive mp3 isn't a dub wether its made by Skream or Mr Bloggs.

in practice i agree and personally i don't call mp3s dubs. but the discussion here is about language and culture and the way it's changing.

[hatcha]

I love em

[boomnoise]

I love em

hahaha yes mate!

[chef]

Im with ThinKing

I cut dubplates. If i play off cd (which is hardly ever) then im NOT playing a dub, im playing a cd. Simple

Same yasa.

Come on guys, an unreleased exclusive mp3 isn't a dub wether its made by Skream or Mr Bloggs.

in practice i agree and personally i don't call mp3s dubs. but the discussion here is about language and culture and the way it's changing.

I knew what the discussion was about and no matter how wrong people are, how language changes or whatever.... 20 years down the line an mp3, a track of a CD or any other format still isn't gonna be a dub.

[delendi]

dub in the sense we're talking about it is short for 'dubplate' and u can't twist dubplate. it's a plate of metal with acetate over it. no evolution of language!

[boomnoise]

dub in the sense we're talking about it is short for 'dubplate' and u can't twist dubplate. it's a plate of metal with acetate over it. no evolution of language!

that isn't the only sense in which were talking about though is it.

[whiteboi]

I think dubplates are what we all know them to be, anything else in my opinion is a V.I.P (other formats).

[dynamixuk]

yer dubplate is a bit of leadish record stuff that cost's a bit to press and wears down after a bit.


owt else is a 320

[sugar daddy sounds]

I once got told that DUB stood for Deep Undergrooved Bass, essentially meaning that, as it is only cut on one side, the grooves can be cut slightly deeper on the vinyl/acetate, which would give you a deeper, louder bassline...

Then again, there was no substantiation (is that how u spell it, dyslexic man here) behind the explination, what do you guys think..?

J

[ufo over easy]

as long as people know what you're talking about, who cares?

If I call something in a tracklist a 'dub', everyone knows I'm not talking about the format. I don't put 'vinyl' or 'cassette tape' in brackets after a tune, so why should it matter... as long as it's clear what you mean, call it whatever you want.

Language evolves all the time, this is just another example