skimpi wrote:@Toric I just dont know what your trying to get at here, dubstep isnt a platinum selling industry, except maybe the shit hitting the charts. your talking about labels and siging and shit as if you are talking about a band or pop artist or some shit. MOST people making this music dont want to be seeling 100,000s copies of stuff, i mean it would be great yeah, but im sure they are more into it for the music rather than making lots of money out of it, but obviously some do want the money.
I seriosly doubt that deep medi and tectonic sell 30,000, they are labels based on the distribution of vinyl, and they probably press 500 on the first release, and then maybe 500 more when they sell out and think there is enough demand for more, they probably wont sell more than 2000 overall on vinyl, and then theres digital, but i doubt they sell 30,000 odd of them as the labels fans are probably more into the vinyl anyway. point is, these labels are out to make money, they arent going to release a tune, just cos its from someone who is big and they know it will sell. they arent gonna release a tune that someone else has released on their own, just because it has been released, they may do it if they like the tune enough, and obviously it wouldnt have been on vinyl before. if they get sent tunes and listen to it, and it blows them away so much that they want to release it, even if they havent heard of the person before it will be released. they are in this industry to release music that they really like and beleive in, whether its from someone already well known, or someone not known at all.
i think huty mentioned blawan, no one knew who he was he hadnt had a release anywhere, and he sent his tunes to untold. he really digged them and though pearson/rama/david would too, so he sent them him. within 2 hours of sending them to untold, blawan got a call from rama saying he wanted to release them on hessle. so Toric where does your logic come into that? Hessle may not be a big label to you, i dont know what you see as big, but to me hessle is a huge label. they dont care if no one knows who blawan is. cos they are in it for the music. fans of hessle will hear about the release and check it out, and because they are fantastic tracks, then probably go an buy it even though they have never heard of him before. thats what i did.
you seem to think that if a rather large label release tunes from an unknown, that people wont buy it cos they dont know who it is. but they do buy it, cos the label is respected, and they trust that they only release good music.
What are the actual odds of that happening to someone? Think about it. Are you sure this guy didn't sell any records or do any self promotion? Being an unknown worldwide is much different than being an unknown period. If you have a local following, it helps your chances of getting attention from a label. I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to get signed without having done any self promotion, but the guy didn't just sit around with his tunes doing nothing with them. I'm sure he promoted, got feedback, did all the necessary things to help is own production and then got lucky. It happens. If you're gonna base your music career on that, then good luck. I don't base my financial future on luck (that's called gambling), I base it on knowledge, training, experience, and schooling. Cold hard facts. Promoting my own music is the way I've chosen to do it, and I think it's a good way, especially if you're looking to make some money off it and maybe even get signed to a label who can connect you with MORE fans. Dubstep is the new "in" right now, and sales are going to skyrocket in the future. Atleast, that's what I see. Sure, I might be in it for the money just a little bit, but I have bills to pay and a genetic illness to keep under control. So I'm surviving, and I choose to take my career as far as possible. I like dubstep a lot, and that's why I chose to start making dubstep. I also chose it, over other genres that I could have easily broken in to, based on my own research.
So yes, record labels like Deep Medi, if they already aren't, are probably selling over 30,000 copies of songs for even just smaller artists. If you can't believe it, I'm sure you will in the next few years when dubstep gets EVEN BIGGER.
This also means these labels have a bigger talent pool to select from in the future, and can set more standards and be more picky. They might not be in it for the money, but they sure as hell aren't running a record label in their spare time. They do have to pay bills, y'know? If Deep Medi has been around for more than 5 years and they don't have at least 30k people on a mailing list, they may end up being bought out or phased out. It's the facts of business. I've seen many industries change over the 22 years I've been alive, and I have some people in my family/extended family who have watched and even contributed to that change over the past 40 or so years.
Once again, if you think I'm taking the piss with you, then that's your opinion and that's completely fine. I'm just telling you all what I know in hopes that SOMEONE find this information and does something smart with it. You have to look at the facts and the numbers. Unfortunately nobody posts sales charts freely for singles anymore, so I cannot help my argument.
You might be able to find the status of a record (e.g. Silver, Platinum, Myrrh [If you're into the whole christian thing]) which should give you a general idea of how many they've sold.
30,000 is really not a lot guys. Sorry to say it. 30k should be a starting goal if you're serious about being a musician as a career.
£10 Bag wrote:
some serious bullshit being thrown around in this thread
Not one person has given me solid evidence to the contrary of what I've said. They've all just contradicted me without backing it up with anything at all. :/
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