Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

[Crosby]

well you seem to be implying that english people have lost their pride because england isn't stereotypically english any more, which is of course ridiculous

He didn't imply anything like that, all he said was English. You're the one who tried suggesting he was only talking about 'proper English people' as you put it.

He's right, you're just twisting what he says for sake of argument

really?

When i live in England I certainly don't feel like it is "English" in the stereotypical sense. All of the English have lost their pride, that's the problem.

[frankiegrimes]

I hate this shit. People jump down people's throat calling them a racist for discussing anything like this.

Cleese is perfectly allowed to discuss that opinion. It's not racist, it's not ignorant, it's an accurate observation. Walking through London doesn't feel like the capital of Britain, it doesn't. Not in a "deport all these immagrants" way, more in a "where is all the Englishness gone?" way.

[capo ultra]

When i live in England I certainly don't feel like it is "English" in the stereotypical sense. All of the English have lost their pride, that's the problem.

well you seem to be implying that english people have lost their pride because england isn't stereotypically english any more, which is of course ridiculous

He didn't imply anything like that, all he said was English.

that's almost word for word exactly what he said. Are you dumb or just playing dumb? I can't tell

[capo ultra]

frankiegrimes, no one is calling anyone a racist? we are having a perfectly fine discussion here

[Genevieve]

Not in a "deport all these immagrants" way, more in a "where is all the Englishness gone?" way.

Yeah but the question you could ask yourself 'what's so inherently good and important about conserving traditional, non-multicultural 'Englishness'?

Seems like the dude doesn't really like where Britain is heading and he does seem to blame it on the immigrants.

I don't think anyone is calling him a wide-eyed, foaming-mouth Klansman. Just a bit of an old turd who holds an unnecessarily high degree of importance to traditional, non-multicultural Britain.

[laurent__duval]

are asian people allowed to proud of england? or are you only talking about 'proper' english people

its a good point. i've no actul english blood in me yet i've lived here my whole life and consider myself to be english, both my housemates are the same one is of indian decent and the other is half czech and half singaporean, yet we are all english at heart.

this "proper" english people shit that fools like the EDL go on about is ridiculous, do they think their ancestors are english? its not about what your blood is, its a state of mind thing.


best way to tell if someones truly english, watch what they do when they're waiting for a bus. if they queue in an orderly fashion 5 minutes before it's there, english.

[Crosby]

So you're all disagreeing that immigration doesn't change a country? Of course it has a difference. When i live in England I certainly don't feel like it is "English" in the stereotypical sense. All of the English have lost their pride, that's the problem.

are asian people allowed to proud of england? or are you only talking about 'proper' english people

Whoops, i meant to quote this bit.

[Crosby]

Well what ever point i was trying to make i fucked up the quotes

but capo you seem to just be taking a lot of stuff out of context and trying to make people look like they are implying something they aren't

[clifford_-]

cleese said nothing about the people, his californian mate did.
a mcdonalds/burger king on every other street isnt very english...

[deadly_habit]

it'd be like going to toronto and considering that to be canadian

[bright maroon]

don't forget he said this..

"I love having different cultures around but when the parent culture kind of dissipates you're left thinking, 'Well, what's going on?'"


My entire life I dreamed of eventually moving to, and living, working in NY...
Now It represents an overpriced - over privledged smarmy slacker with zero taste.

Just a massively expensively bad joke.

[deadly_habit]

that's nothing new about nyc

[bright maroon]

that's nothing new about nyc

So, are you agreeing with my statement - or questioning my timeliness?

[capo ultra]

Well what ever point i was trying to make i fucked up the quotes

but capo you seem to just be taking a lot of stuff out of context and trying to make people look like they are implying something they aren't

that's exactly what you are doing, I have taken nothing out of context at all, I directly quoted a guy and asked what he meant by it

I asked a question to help clarify the meaning

you seem overly defensive

[firky]

Half the Python team are Oxbrdige and Cambridge fuckbuddies so am hardly surprised.

[Crosby]

YOU SEEM ING OVERLY DEFENSIVE

[capo ultra]

one love

[Pistonsbeneath]

i seriously doubt cleese is racist, palin has travelled the world investigating other cultures and hes part of that fold too

id be lying if i said i when on oxford street i dont sometimes feel like a foreigner given the sheer lack of english accents..would that make me racist? no

i do think maybe it came out wrong when he said he couldnt 'see' any english people

[clifford_-]

i do think maybe it came out wrong when he said he couldnt 'see' any english people

It was his american friend that said that.

[Genevieve]

i do think maybe it came out wrong when he said he couldnt 'see' any english people

It was his american friend that said that.

He used his American friend's comment as an example, sort of to back up what he's saying.