Mixing Dubstep with Pop

[mikeyp]

did you read anything i said in my long post? those have views because they're good dubstep songs. they are not pop anymore! and um, those aren't even pop songs to begin with. I've never heard either on the radio once. benassi is by no means pop and i'd had never even heard of the original hey sexy lady if it weren't for the remix.

I didn't mean to ignore anything in your original post, I'm not really sure what I missed.

Benassi didn't used to be pop, but he is definitely moving into pop territory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPn9zesJU6M Beautiful people - Chris Brown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAejck2XKSw&ob=av3e Electroman - T-pain

Cinema might not be played on the radio, but it's still a pop song. Same with hey sexy lady. In a way, it actually helps me make my point. I'm not trying to directly copy them, but I want to take it to the next step. Right now, the poppiest form of dubstep is skrillex, but I want to be MORE poppy than him. But it still needs to be based on the roots of dubstep.

I'm sure the early days of hip hop felt similar to the way you do right now. Hip hop is the antithesis of pop music. If I may quote the streets, "Hip hop started because the government didn't give a fuck about the streets", but it has now evolved into the pop arena. I'm sure nobody saw that coming 20 years ago when NWA, Tupac, and public enemy were becoming popular. But that is just how music works. It evolves. You might not see it now, hell I can't even see it, that's why I'm trying to mess around with the idea, so I can be one of the first to do it.

skrillex is poppy? what? he may be popular but it is not pop music at all, I don't care if he was remixing backstreet boys as long as he did what he does it wouldn't be pop.

anyway I'm not sure what point I'm even trying to make anymore. if you want to remix pop songs and turn them into dubstep that's great. I love a good remix as long as it really is dubstep. like, that britney and flo rida shit is shit. here's my advice - if you want to do something with pop and dubstep, make it true dubstep with pop vocals. true pop songs are just fads. you could say the same about dubstep but I think it's different. do you remember what pop songs were big around this time last year? nah neither do I. but I remember every dubstep song I was listening to this time last year, and some of them are remixes of pop music, but they're still dubstep. We're still talking about skrillex songs right now that he released nearly a year ago. What i'm picturing you wanting to try to do is shit like the britney song where its all poppy and has some dubstep breakdowns and what not. If you really want to do something with this, I think stick to going for real quality dubstep with pop vocals would be your best bet.

anywho have a good saturday erbody

[sargentpilcher]

Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one and they all stink. You might not like the Britney dubstep, but 65 million youtube viewers agree with me.

I can garuntee you no one who listens to that even knows what dubstep is, let alone listens to that song for the dubstep.

I can also gaurantee you that none of them know what house, or sidechaining is, but that doesn't mean they don't like it.

[Bandersson]

That's a REALLY good example of what I'm trying to do, but picture dubstep underneath the vocals, and not dubstep on it's own as a seperate section, but on the chorus. Thanks for showing me that!

cheers mate!
Although i think your bit wrong if you dont think that chorus is dubstep. I mean its got sub bass, kick on 1st snare on 3d beats, and jittery shuffly hihats between. sounds like you define dubstep as just modulation freakout.
just my opinion...

[ChadDub]

Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one and they all stink. You might not like the Britney dubstep, but 65 million youtube viewers agree with me.

I can garuntee you no one who listens to that even knows what dubstep is, let alone listens to that song for the dubstep.

I can also gaurantee you that none of them know what house, or sidechaining is, but that doesn't mean they don't like it.

Ok, completely missing the point. My point is is that the dubstep attempt in any Britney Spears song is bad. Not because it's pop, not because it's mainstream, because it's bad. You said that you think it is the best produced dubstep break (or whatever you said) you've ever heard. I listed like 8 artists who destroy that, just so you understand what dubstep is, musically.

Case and point: Britney Spears Dubstep sucks. You're wrong, I'm right. Go listen to something better.

[sargentpilcher]

That's a REALLY good example of what I'm trying to do, but picture dubstep underneath the vocals, and not dubstep on it's own as a seperate section, but on the chorus. Thanks for showing me that!

cheers mate!
Although i think your bit wrong if you dont think that chorus is dubstep. I mean its got sub bass, kick on 1st snare on 3d beats, and jittery shuffly hihats between. sounds like you define dubstep as just modulation freakout.
just my opinion...

Yeah I guess my definition of dubstep isn't really an exact science. I guess what I was trying to say is that in that song, the drop is instrumental, and most dubstep I hear is. What I'm currently trying to do, is have the drop feature the hook, which would contain the vocals as well. That was still a good song.

[hasezwei]

i tried reading this thread start to finish but i had to stop when i felt the urge to throw my laptop against the wall.

i am being dead serious now: i can't take this shit anymore.
fuck the production forum, fuck everyone in this thread and FUCK people pretending to like dubstep.

the amount of stupidity, ignorance and general lack of love for (our) music in this subforum, the pinnacle being this thread, is killing my creative vibes so the original point of visiting this place is lost.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

i could write another 1000000 worded rant but i'm tired of it.
"sargentpilcher"- THIS is dubstep (not posting brostep only cause people already did, just imagine i'd put links of borgore and datsik n shit in here too) and FUCK you if you want to ask us how to be like shitty pop musicians abusing this style of music to make some easy cash here.














if you prefer britney spears with some cheesy wobbles over this just fuck off, pirate massive and add the brutal electro preset over some shitey mainstream rock or faux-hop and pray some idiot will sign your "remix". it worked for many people, including mt eden so i'm sure it will work for you.

[sargentpilcher]

Haters gonna hate dude. If you don't like it, nobody is forcing this music down your throat. Just try to relax alright?

[ChadDub]

Calm down, man, it's just music.

[sargentpilcher]

Calm down, man, it's just music.

hahaha! I didn't think I'd find myself so wholeheartedly agreeing with you!

[ChadDub]

Calm down, man, it's just music.

hahaha! I didn't think I'd find myself so wholeheartedly agreeing with you!

I said calm down because I know better. You're just saying calm down because you don't understand.

[sargentpilcher]

Music is love guys

There's no need for snobbery just because I like a different genre than you. I didn't come in here shitting on your guys music, and I won't stoop to that level. Truth be told, I'm not really a fan of "Dubstep", but I am of "Brostep" but to me, and many other people, "brostep" is a form of dubstep, so we just call it dubstep.

Why all the hate?

[ChadDub]

I'm not hating on you, because I like both, all I'm saying is that Britney Spears dubstep sucks >_>

[gen_]

Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one and they all stink. You might not like the Britney dubstep, but 65 million youtube viewers agree with me.

Yes its a dubstep chorus, but it is not a dubstep song. The problem with your analogy is you don't know very much about dubstep. You can't become a dubstep pop producer without understanding dubstep and coming from it.

Notice that all the EDM fusion artists you mentioned came from the hard core and gradually got more and more pop, not the other way round. Not to mention there are several new ideas of commercial dubstep that are emerging (Boy Kid Cloud kinda dubstep for example).

Your best bet is to try and create dubstep, quite simply. One you have mastered it, then you will be good enough to add elements that wouldn't usually fit with the style.

[sargentpilcher]

That's actually a really good point. thank you.

[gen_]

Another point is youre idea will fail for simple reasons. Brostep at its core, especially Skrillex is arrhythmic. It doesn't follow a chord progression or melody structure. It's noise, pure and simple. Good noise, yes, but you cant sing along with noise.

Now you can push a dubstep pop tune all you want but you have to remember that even with the size and girth of fans dubstep has it still doesn't compare to Hip-Hop, RnB or Rock in terms of fanbase, so if a really famous artist makes dubstep, its not because its a moneyspinner, its either because it's controversial or that artist has a personal love for it. Britney was controversy, she was making a comeback and she needed all the attention she could get. Korn was the same. Pro Green was love, he had been talking to Lily Allen about it for ages.

[hutyluty]

mate

you dont want to to produce dubstep

go to popmusicforum.com or soemthing

this is really depressing, you better not have ruined my night- im feeling some bad vibes right now and its not cool OP!!!

[Turnipish_Thoughts]

sargentpilcher

Take some LSD and watch this:



Really really sit there for as long as it takes and think deeply about your life and your values as a human being. I'm being incredibly serious here. Music is and never was about anything other than an expression of emotion. An art form in its purest form. What went wrong with music, which has existed perfectly fine for THOUSANDS of years, is people like you. Coming in with your corrupted ideals about what's 'best' to chase for your own greed/ego driven agenda, fucking warping the first medium you come across into some demon spawn babylon oriented, heartless poison upon a generation. And the worst thing about it is, you're completely convicted in your opinion. You think its completely OK to be the way you are and think the way you are.

Some people really do need a serious education in the ways of the world. What you're buying into, good sir, is the very thing, the very inherently corrupt system of bullshit and brainwashing, that is driving this entire planet and with it our species to certain oblivion. It's got you, completely. Everything you've said in this thread, all the perspective you've bought across about how you see things, and your agendas and ideals, speak so clearly of such a fucked up and ironically 'perfect' abuse of what it means to be a free and individual human being, and what that entails.

You just don't get it, because you think you have it all worked out. Don't make music because you 'want to make music people will like'. DON'T make pop because its the 'in thing', DON'T try and fuse dubstep with pop because you think its the 'next big thing'.

Take a bit of advice from Mr Hicks and Go Kill Yourself before you add any more to what is already terribly wrong with the world, and while you go back to your ego-centric, money oriented, heartless, corporate, power driven agenda, take the care not to fucking taint something we here care about so much, something that is pure and ancient in a way people like you will never understand. And before you come in with 'hater gonna hate', understand that these words have been spoken, and the reality they are entailing is real, regardless of wether you choose to accept it or not. Take a good look at yourself and switch up pronto before you loose yourself completely. Fair warning.

[gen_]

There will never be a respected dubstep producer that doesn't like dubstep, so I have no fear in telling him what he wants to know. It's simply impossible to create without feeling the music.

[sargentpilcher]

Look guys,

None of you know me. I have always been a huge music fan, and I'm no stranger to underground music. My favorite band of all time is Primus, although not incredibly underground, they are rather weird, and not many people have heard of them. Nuclear rabbit is another one of my favorites. I have been playing bass guitar since I was 13 (I'm 24 now), and I got DAMN good at bass, I admired Les Claypool (Bassist to Primus) and Jean Baudin (Bassist to nuclear rabbit who uses a 13 string bass) because they played lead bass. I loved that, and I followed in their footsteps, but the problem was that nobody else did. I would be super excited about a song I wrote, show it to people, and nobody really liked it.

Fast forward a few years, a friend of mine knows that I played music, and asked me to score one of his student films. He wanted acoustic guitar on it, and I was up to the challenge. I actually ended up getting canned from the project because my skills weren't up to snuff, but the point I'm trying to make is that the songs I wrote for that movie, got a better response than I had ever gotten from my music before, even when it wasn't very good compared to what I can do now.

Right out of high school, I went to work for Michael's arts and crafts while attending school. It was in school that I learned there wasn't a single thing I could major in that would get me a job I would be happy at. At least no happier than I was at Michael's, and I was MISERABLE at Michaels. Anyways, I worked there for 5 and a half years, the whole time trying to find any spare moment I could to work on music, and it occurred to me. I would MUCH rather make pop music (The music you hate so much), and make a living off of it, than work somewhere like Michael's or anywhere else for that matter, for the rest of my life, but still making music only I wanted to hear.

So, I don't give a fuck what you guys think about my musical direction. I WILL NOT go back to working retail, or work in an office, or waste my life away doing something that I don't absoluetly love. Music is love. Music is what I love. Music is what I want to do for the rest of my life. And the only way I can ensure that happens is to make music that I think other people will pay for.

Edit: Bill hick's didn't give a shit about music production. Bill hicks was talking about people in marketing departments advertising for the world's most evil corporations like coca cola, microsoft, the military industrial complex, etc. Bill Hicks was an amazing man, but to apply that to something like music? That's just stupid. There's nothing evil about wanting to make pop music. But supporting a company that uses child labor in third world countries like Hanes, and just about every other clothing company known to man. THAT is evil. and that is what Bill hicks is referring to.

[sargentpilcher]

There will never be a respected dubstep producer that doesn't like dubstep, so I have no fear in telling him what he wants to know. It's simply impossible to create without feeling the music.

If you want to argue symantecs then that's fine. I want to make "Brostep" and I love "Brostep". Happy?