A Nice Documentary on Noise

[VirtualMark]

some interesting points samurai. its a shame that you had to go down the route of 'i missed the point'. i didn't miss the point, i just really don't like it and find the whole concept a joke.

i believe in the saying that 'condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance' - so i watched the whole documentary. after about half an hour my ears were hurting from the noise.

i stand by my statement that i, you or anyone with a few synths could make this shit. i have made it already, by accident. when i have been trying to make good synth patches and routing things all over the place, modulating modulators, feeding one thing into another etc. its not like any of those people are doing anything new. the skill comes from learning how to sculpt those sounds into something you want to hear.

the music scale is an octave, harmony has mathematical relationships. anyone who's studied music theory will know this. its not there by accident. certain sounds are pleasing to the human ear, and it takes skill and effort to make original ones.

the goal of noise seems to be to sound as inhuman and offensive as possible. this is why i liken it to painting with shit. its unpleasant, yet for some strange reason, a small percentage of people like it. if they wish to call themselves musicians then let them. i call them oxygen thieves.

[VirtualMark]

I guess I'm just having trouble figuring out why an intellectual such as yourself struggles to understand art

oh please. stop it with the cliche 'you don't understand it' argument. i do get it, i just don't like it or respect it.

[wub]

I guess I'm just having trouble figuring out why an intellectual such as yourself struggles to understand art

oh please. stop it with the cliche 'you don't understand it' argument. i do get it, i just don't like it or respect it.

Surely this is a matter of personal preference though? Your dislike of something doesn't mean it's not 'art'.

[JBE]

I think my problem with this is not that it is considered art, but "why" is it considered art. A lot of what I heard in that documentary was about as pleasing as nails on a chalkboard. If I couldn't view that as art, then there is just no way I could view what most of the people in this documentary are doing as art. It would be like if I went to a concert and someone just came on stage and screamed into a microphone for 5 minutes and then went home. When it was over I wouldn't be thinking, "I'm really glad I came here". It would be more like, "WHAT THE FUCK!!".

[mks]

Yeah, some of those sounds were annoying and they wouldn't be something that I would prefer to listen to often.

But I wouldn't discount what they are doing with one broad sweeping brush, especially after learning about Dadaism and being involved with Punk.

Sometimes it is meant to be confrontational in order for you to question about certain aspects of our society. It often does have a polarizing effect like what is going on here. Some people will take what they need from it and some people will just reject it outright without putting anymore thought into it.

Yet often the world is a better place for it. I don't know how I would be if I didn't come up through Punk. I don't know how the world would be if we didn't have some of the experimental and Avant-Garde artists, writers and composers that we have had.

After I watched this video, I watched that Kraftwerk documentary. I made it through 6 out of 19 parts so far. Interestingly enough, it touches on some of these same ideas. You really should check it out if you have any interest in electronic music. I think it was part three that touches on some of these ideas of Noise etc.

[accordionfan]

lol@ all the "talent" and "skill" fetishists. go listen to some progressive metal wank why doncha.

edit: its cool if you dont like noise (of course) but constantly saying its worthless because you dont need to know "music" to make or because it doesnt require tradtional musical skill is just silly people. come on

[VirtualMark]

lol@ all the "talent" and "skill" fetishists. go listen to some progressive metal wank why doncha.

edit: its cool if you dont like noise (of course) but constantly saying its worthless because you dont need to know "music" to make or because it doesnt require tradtional musical skill is just silly people. come on

Literally, what the fuck? I don't even understand you. So its either love screeching noises or progressive metal wank? I see.

[VirtualMark]

I guess I'm just having trouble figuring out why an intellectual such as yourself struggles to understand art

oh please. stop it with the cliche 'you don't understand it' argument. i do get it, i just don't like it or respect it.

Surely this is a matter of personal preference though? Your dislike of something doesn't mean it's not 'art'.

Its not art as i'd see it. Even if we agree it is, i'd still think it sits at a polar opposite end to what i'd consider art. Right at the far end where all of the talentless people who can't plan an instrument or compose a good tune lie.

If anyone can explain to me what is so super awesome about noise, i'd be interested to hear. So far all i've read is that i've missed the point. Despite watching the whole vid so as to keep an open mind, and having the 'point' rammed down my throat for over an hour.

I was just left with the impression of a bunch of people who didn't have enough talent or dedication to play an instrument really well. Which is fair enough, as it does take a LOT of hard work. But after studying production solidly for the past few months, i now know how much hard work it takes to get good at music, and i have a lot of respect for the people that have done well. And i guess i have zero respect for people like this bunch, who to me, haven't put a lot of effort into learning anything.

[hudson]

I'm sorry, you might say you get it, but it's pretty clear you don't. Lots of modern art isn't about how well you can paint or whatever, it's about expression and your message. If you can communicate something through your medium, then you're an artist. Maybe they're not making it to be enjoyable. That's a pretty clear message if you ask me.

[VirtualMark]

I'm sorry, you might say you get it, but it's pretty clear you don't. Lots of modern art isn't about how well you can paint or whatever, it's about expression and your message. If you can communicate something through your medium, then you're an artist. Maybe they're not making it to be enjoyable. That's a pretty clear message if you ask me.

Lots of modern art is shit, as i illustrated by some of the examples i posted. Its an excuse for talentless morons to pretend they have something to offer the world. In the future they will be packed onto a big ship and sent into space.

[leeany]

Aphex Twin once put a piece of sandpaper on a turntable (which produces some noise-like sounds) and let it play for like an hour, and the crowd (who didn't see what he was actually doing) loved it. They thought he was playing one of his new pieces or making something live

[hudson]

I'm sorry, you might say you get it, but it's pretty clear you don't. Lots of modern art isn't about how well you can paint or whatever, it's about expression and your message. If you can communicate something through your medium, then you're an artist. Maybe they're not making it to be enjoyable. That's a pretty clear message if you ask me.

Lots of modern art is shit, as i illustrated by some of the examples i posted. Its an excuse for talentless morons to pretend they have something to offer the world. In the future they will be packed onto a big ship and sent into space.

LOL
Did you even read my post?

[VirtualMark]

I'm sorry, you might say you get it, but it's pretty clear you don't. Lots of modern art isn't about how well you can paint or whatever, it's about expression and your message. If you can communicate something through your medium, then you're an artist. Maybe they're not making it to be enjoyable. That's a pretty clear message if you ask me.

Lots of modern art is shit, as i illustrated by some of the examples i posted. Its an excuse for talentless morons to pretend they have something to offer the world. In the future they will be packed onto a big ship and sent into space.

LOL
Did you even read my post?

yes. both lines. did you read any of the past few pages of mine?

[ChadDub]

That's a good view on modern art, hudson. I took what you said as "Since everything has been done to it's limit of technical goodness, the main point of art is now the pure message, whether it be a pile of dead rat skins or a bunch of lines.".

[hudson]

That's a good view on modern art, hudson. I took what you said as "Since everything has been done to it's limit of technical goodness, the main point of art is now the pure message, whether it be a pile of dead rat skins or a bunch of lines.".

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying. Some people like art for the visual/aural stimulation, some like it for the mental stimulation, the latter are the one's who are most likely to appreciate modern art. Most people don't want to look at a pile of dead rat skins, but maybe the piece represents the horrible things happening to people in the 3rd world (poor people being seen as rats), and the fact that people don't want to look at it shows our willingness to ignore these things. I dunno, that's just an example I pulled out of my ass.

The point is, it's just another medium of expression, and while it may not always look good or take talent, it does take as much creativity as any other form of art.

Also, I found this quote a while ago:
"modern art = I could do that + yeah, but you didn't"

[VirtualMark]

This piece of modern art especially stands out to me. The message the artist is trying to convey is very clear - "I AM A TALENTLESS MORON"





Now as for this masterpiece, i definitely see what the artist is trying to say. "I CAN'T PAINT FOR SHIT"




Now this one really takes the piss:






Now i'm not saying all modern art is crap. Just some of the lamer, no effort types. Such pieces that can be easily reproduced by anyone with modest photoshop skills. And call me a skeptic or a hater, but i'm pretty certain that the above pieces won't stand the test of time and be recognized as masterpieces by our future generations. They will probably be forgotten, unlike some of the old masterpieces we treasure now.

[VirtualMark]

"modern art = I could do that + yeah, but you didn't"

how about: i did someting similar to that when i was a toddler, but now i wouldn't want to.

[Shum]

this thread is jokes now

Here's some more modern art awaiting your criticism VirtualMark:

[hudson]

So what you're arguing so stubbornly is "some art is bad" No shit dude, lots of music sucks too.
My point though, once again, is that AN ARTIST DOES NOT HAVE TO BE TECHNICALLY SKILLED TO CREATE ART. A skilled guitarist who lacks creativity may join a cover band, a creative guitarist who lacks skill may write simple music. It's the same thing dude... are you going say Bob Dylan isn't an artist now?

[Shum]

And who could forget everyone's favourite English modern art extraordinaire, Damien Hirst. What a prick lol.