Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

[acrap]

@blinx really good advice man i've never thought about slowing songs down i'm actually gonna try this today. and i wouldnt post a thread this like if i hadnt already tried to make tunes on my own which is why i'm asking for advice. nobody on here is gonna compose tracks for me man. i real like what you had to say i can see why i'd come off like a whiny ass

@wub you're right man this is true i'm looking for a quick fix i guess i'm really in a hurry to blast out awsome tunes but dont get me wrong i'm absolutely willing to put in the effort. I want to get good in the least amount of time as possible is all doesnt everybody?

[wub]

@wub you're right man this is true i'm looking for a quick fix i guess i'm really in a hurry to blast out awsome tunes but dont get me wrong i'm absolutely willing to put in the effort. I want to get good in the least amount of time as possible is all doesnt everybody?

Ok, let me put this in a different context;

Say you are learning the guitar, and you want to play like Hendrix. Do you download tutorials and ask people on the Internet for advice on which chords to play and in what order, or do you lock yourself in the garage and practice til your fingers bleed?

[acrap]

@wub you're right man this is true i'm looking for a quick fix i guess i'm really in a hurry to blast out awsome tunes but dont get me wrong i'm absolutely willing to put in the effort. I want to get good in the least amount of time as possible is all doesnt everybody?

Ok, let me put this in a different context;

Say you are learning the guitar, and you want to play like Hendrix. Do you download tutorials and ask people on the Internet for advice on which chords to play and in what order, or do you lock yourself in the garage and practice til your fingers bleed?

I'd do both man

[wub]

@wub you're right man this is true i'm looking for a quick fix i guess i'm really in a hurry to blast out awsome tunes but dont get me wrong i'm absolutely willing to put in the effort. I want to get good in the least amount of time as possible is all doesnt everybody?

Ok, let me put this in a different context;

Say you are learning the guitar, and you want to play like Hendrix. Do you download tutorials and ask people on the Internet for advice on which chords to play and in what order, or do you lock yourself in the garage and practice til your fingers bleed?

I'd do both man

Ah well, I tried

Enjoy the thread guys.

[Ongelegen]

I would worry more about the fact that you only listen to the genre that you are making. Like wub said, inbred music, even if your tunes sounded fantastic (no offence but they don't, you still got a long road ahead of you, but don't despair the learning part is the best one IMO) you will always be 1 step behind the leading producers in that genre. If they make X type of sound, by the time you are also making X sound, they have already moved to sound Y

Check out other genres and music, there is so much stuff out there, you're bound to like other stuff too. I remember listening to only hiphop appox 10-11 years ago, I didn't want to hear anything else. A friend of mine, at that time, was constantly getting into new genres and asking my opinion. First I was a like meh, but after some time I was really starting to appreciate other stuff too. If you compare everything to brostep, then yeah you won't like it. There are always elements in other genres that are appealing, even if you are listening to brostep

[blinx]

yeah then you better start trying to hang out with Tommy Lee so you can party with Deadmau5 and get signed to Mau5trap otherwise take a deep breath and start at square one man. Itll start to get easier the more you learn. I

nfact i find myself being inspired by learning something new and then ill write a whole track based on what i learned. Learn another new trick/tip or fundamental and youll be inspired to apply it to another track. Eventually you should get to the point where your always learning and expanding your horizon while continually inspiring/re-inspiring yourself each step of the way. at 2 montsh i was lucky to program a single 4 bar crunk beat into Fruity Loops lol. Now i sketch songs in a matter of a few hours and can usually finish a track in a few days if it gets me inspried enough.

[SloppySeconds]

lol at shit producers giving other shit producers advice... give up making tunes you've got the complete wrong idea to music.. you're not going to be the next skrillex, find another hobby you enjoy doing.. we don't need any more noise producers thanks.

[acrap]

well i pretty much got a torn a new one on here but this is all good constructive criticism thanks to all you guys. I've learned that i'm brand new so i shouldnt be trying to rush into things cause it takes most people years to get good, i gotta start listening to other types of music (which will bethe hardest) because they'll influence me in one way or another in the genre i'm trying to make, and i need to have knowledge on music theory which i consider to be something i can start doing immediately.

[Mad_EP]

Say you are learning the guitar, and you want to play like Hendrix. Do you download tutorials and ask people on the Internet for advice on which chords to play and in what order, or do you lock yourself in the garage and practice til your fingers bleed?

I can say with all honesty, that in the second year of Uni, I actually did practice my cello until my fingers bled.

Stupidly I did it the night before my lesson... so I had to go in and play for my teacher with metal strings digging into raw wounds (pro-tip : it hurts A LOT more the next day). So on top of the physical pain, I had to endure getting a new one ripped by my teacher for daring to show up to a lesson unable to play (the reason was unimportant to him)...

..and you know what I did that night? Went back in the practice room and practiced some more.

[press]

I would worry more about the fact that you only listen to the genre that you are making. Like wub said, inbred music, even if your tunes sounded fantastic (no offence but they don't, you still got a long road ahead of you, but don't despair the learning part is the best one IMO) you will always be 1 step behind the leading producers in that genre. If they make X type of sound, by the time you are also making X sound, they have already moved to sound Y

Check out other genres and music, there is so much stuff out there, you're bound to like other stuff too. I remember listening to only hiphop appox 10-11 years ago, I didn't want to hear anything else. A friend of mine, at that time, was constantly getting into new genres and asking my opinion. First I was a like meh, but after some time I was really starting to appreciate other stuff too. If you compare everything to brostep, then yeah you won't like it. There are always elements in other genres that are appealing, even if you are listening to brostep

[kiene]

calm down..

why do you seem so anxious and rushed to make a good song? are you trying to impress people or just want to be involved in that scene? you gotta remember that you can only get better by practicing more and more and learning all you can. but dont have a heart attack because after 2 months of producing you cant make a similar song that people with 10 years of production under their belt can make. that's insane and you have to accept that youre not a young musical prodigy.

even high energy brostep stuff is art, and you cant force art out of yourself. it's not like teaching someone calculus or how to balance a chemistry equation--where there are formulas and all the results are the same. in music and writing and painting etc. you make what you feel.

this brostep stuff sometimes is some shitty formulaic thing but the good stuff is always original and stands out amongst the rest. those producers most likely know what people on the dancefloor want to hear, and so they make songs that keep their future audiences entertained. i think you might want to take on that perspective--or if anything, go to a show and support your local djs and have fun. you'll learn and have fun and meet cool people. definitely would help.

also for other genres, a lot of brostep sounds really similar to deathcore/deathmetal breakdowns. there is A LOT OF energy in death metal and it wouldnt hurt to try some of it out to get other ideas about your own music. but if thats not your thing than w/e!

but finally just chill out and have fun with it and dont worry if it sounds like garbage right now. dont listen to the aspie shithead producers on here and other forums that tell you you probably shouldnt continue doing it. continue making music and learning but stop acting like it's some do or die thing.

[hutyluty]

when did production forum get so nice jeez




alpaca 3 pages too fucking late!!

[wormcode]

Sounds like you're looking for a quick fix to production...which there isn't.

He wants Dubturbo. They have gotten rich off this very thing.

Seriously though, 2 months isn't much at all. Most of the good tunes out there have taken over 2 months to get anywhere near finished. Some have taken years, like Noisia's Exodus is known to have taken over 3 years work. It's also about quality control though. Some music out there obviously has been made in hours. Most of that stuff fades into obscurity fast though. If you're asking "how long will it take to get my music to a releasable level" I would say at least a couple of years. For most people, 5 years is a good estimate. There is a small percentage of people who can accomplish this in a fraction of the time, but it's very rare. Again, consider quality control like I said.

Listening to your links I would say give it a year or so of work and re-evaluate it all. Do it for fun first, then decide if it was just a phase, or if it's something you will dedicate your life to. It sounds like you are trying to replicate "filthy brostep" after hearing some which is probably most of the problem. Make your own music. There's a million people out there trying to do the exact same thing at this very moment, what would make you stand out? And yes, listen to other music. If you read or watch interviews with musicians of any genre, very few of them say they ever listen to the same styles of music they make. No coincidence.

[Phase Down]

Lets just say it won't be this coming year, how dedicated are you? Many people on here probably spend years of almost daily working with sound, and we all take inspirations from different genre's and implent that in our own way, what you're doing seems to me not the right mind setting for a music producer or audio engineer.. but some advice for you, remember you're trying to create this "filthy" atmosphere, and you won't do that by just creating a few wobbles and placing them after eachother on the same notes, or random notes. 2 months is nothing and if you're desperate now.. well we'll have to see if you're going to stick it out.

[acrap]

well i may be putting my personal life out here too much but part of the reason why i'm in such a hurry is because i'm being sentenced any time most likely within 2 months. to do about 2 years in federal prison. i promised myself i'd make a tune i was proud of before then

[mikeyp]

i know you're just being hard on yourself and trying to push yourself, but really, don't worry about it. i've heard some of the stuff you've made and for only being at this for only two months, you are WAY ahead of where most people are. shit it took me months to get really basic things down. been at it for about a year now and I still haven't made anything worth talking about. your sounds are good. learn more, learn other things. try this (at least for a little while) - when you sit down at your computer, don't make it a goal to actually make a song, or a brostep song, or whatever, but instead maybe use a piano sound, set up some drums, loop them, and just play the piano. pay attention to what sounds good. write that in your daw. try to expand on it. before you know it you'll have a nice little melody. do this over and over again. these same melodies will most likely transfer over to a nice sounding bassline. but don't focus on making them a bassline, just make something that sounds nice (you'd be surprised at how much you enjoy playing the piano, even if you don't really know how to. it's easy to jam out and have fun) do shit like this and it'll improve the skills that everyone else has been telling you to learn about.

by the way i'm saying all this assuming you have a midi keyboard. if you don't and you're really serious about this (which i know you are) make that your next investment. nothing fancy, just something to play with. helped me a whole bunch. i can't imagine trying to use a cpu keyboard again

[acrap]

i know you're just being hard on yourself and trying to push yourself, but really, don't worry about it. i've heard some of the stuff you've made and for only being at this for only two months, you are WAY ahead of where most people are. shit it took me months to get really basic things down. been at it for about a year now and I still haven't made anything worth talking about. your sounds are good. learn more, learn other things. try this (at least for a little while) - when you sit down at your computer, don't make it a goal to actually make a song, or a brostep song, or whatever, but instead maybe use a piano sound, set up some drums, loop them, and just play the piano. pay attention to what sounds good. write that in your daw. try to expand on it. before you know it you'll have a nice little melody. do this over and over again. these same melodies will most likely transfer over to a nice sounding bassline. but don't focus on making them a bassline, just make something that sounds nice (you'd be surprised at how much you enjoy playing the piano, even if you don't really know how to. it's easy to jam out and have fun) do shit like this and it'll improve the skills that everyone else has been telling you to learn about.

by the way i'm saying all this assuming you have a midi keyboard. if you don't and you're really serious about this (which i know you are) make that your next investment. nothing fancy, just something to play with. helped me a whole bunch. i can't imagine trying to use a cpu keyboard again

hey thanks for this man really makes me feel good about myself haha. this is a good idea but i do not have a midi keyboard since i just recently got a job i havent had the funds. my friend is selling me a korgnano key for 20 bucks so i'm gonna buy it from him on monday that'll really help me out

[Sine69]

These things take time and practice. I've been producing for 8 months and all of my tunes still sound like shit.

[JBE]

well i may be putting my personal life out here too much but part of the reason why i'm in such a hurry is because i'm being sentenced any time most likely within 2 months. to do about 2 years in federal prison. i promised myself i'd make a tune i was proud of before then

I hope your expectations of "proud" are low. You'll be lucky if you put anything aesthetically pleasing together in the next year let alone the next month.

I still think you are failing to grasp exactly what people are saying when they say "Producing takes time". Were talking years here, not weeks or months. You can read that music theory book till you go blind, but you aren't going to actually learn anything from it unless you take the time to sit down and put it to use. That's where the time comes in. Learning it, not only means understanding it, but also memorizing it. That is A LOT of information to take in all at once. Talk to anyone that has a firm grasp on music theory and they'll tell you it takes a very long time to learn. Here's the kicker though. Even if you know music theory, it's still not going to make you a good producer.

Producing isn't just about being able to make a good melody, or a good chord progression. The one good thing you have going is that you've spent a good amount of time messing with a synth, so you've sort of grasped that concept early on. You seem to know how to make a good dirty sound. However, do you know how to make 2 dirty sounds fit together harmonically? That is something that there is no guide for. This is something that comes with time and practice. Training yourself to be able to hear when 2 sounds either work together or are completely unbalanced and should never be together. I mean there is so much that you haven't even begun to get into yet, and probably won't until you manage to get to the point where you realize you'll need to.

From the posts you're making in this thread I have a hard time believing you're as passionate about being able to make the music, as much as you are about making songs that impress people. I mean I'm sure every producer essentially aspires to make music that people will love. It's always a great feeling when someone likes something you've created. But if your entire thought process on producing is being driven simply by that, then you're in for a very long disappointing experience. You have to be able to find joy in even the smallest of accomplishments when it comes to trying to learn how to produce music. You have to be able to enjoy the process, not just the outcome. I'm not trying to discourage you, honestly, I wish you the best of luck and hope that you become as good as you want to be. I just think everyone should at least understand that if you want it, you really have to be ready to put the work in, no matter what, or how long that might be.

[snypadub]

Have a big spliff, get out some saucepans and wooden spoons and just bash on them all really hard with a wooden spoon till these desires of yours die down.
There is no other cure.