What are DJ's actually doing when...?

[Maxadax]

Paris Hilton's a dj, shows the amount of talent it takes!

Justin Biebers a producer too.

My point is that Paris Hilton may be a DJ, but she sure as hell isn't a good one. It isn't that easy.

[Dystinkt]

Its alright saying using controllers and a laptop is better etc, but what happens when your laptop fucks up, or your controller fucks up? if you cant beatmatch for shit with cdjs/vinyl or you dont have back up cds/vinyl, your the one thats gonna look like a twat pretty quickly. a gig isnt a reward if you humiliate yourself in front of everyone

[AxeD]

Paris Hilton's a dj, shows the amount of talent it takes!
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Yeah but it's premixed. Mistabishi did a better job of hiding it lol.

Exactly and even if it was mixed live it would still be terrible. It's easy to learn but hard to master, plus
there's tune selection etc..

No hate but VirtualMark is here and the point is all the way over there.

[wormcode]

Justin Biebers a producer too.

lol I dunno if you're joking or if he actually has producer credits, but just to throw it out there outside of electronic music a producer is not usually someone who mixes the music. Those are most often called mix engineers in the pop/rock etc world. The producer is most often someone who guides everyone, a manager type thing. I doubt Bieber can mix down his tunes. I'd love to be proven wrong though and hear his ill mixes.

[elyhess]

dude FUCK paris hilton.

[AllNightDayDream]

I thought djing was about setting a vibe and putting people on a musical journey, picking just the right tunes at the right time to tease them into the next... Not all this "ooh he can cue up a vinyl real well" business.

[Electric_Head]

Paris Hilton just looks uncomfortable in front of a crowd.
"I love you Brazil"
5x
Fuck off
She's not djing either.

[Rekah]

i have to say mixing vinyl is alot harder than mixing with cdjs or serato/traktor or whatever, i started out when i was 15/16 and learnt on vinyl now i just use cdjs and i have to say its no where near as fun as mixing vinyl and sounds no where near as good. the best question ive been asked is by a mate who mixes techno and has only ever used cdjs and it was how do you even mix using vinyl so he had a go and couldnt grasp it at all, i find it even better when you watch someone that mixes using serato/traktor and all they do is look at the laptop screen to make sure its all beatmatched

ive got no idea if all this makes sense it just seems like im rabbling but anyway vinyl will always be better than digital end of

[benjam]

Some of the posts in this thread make me genuinely sad
If you dj with cue/sync or whatever good for you but to call vinyl outdated is pretty ignorant imo when you consider its ties to the roots of the genre..... sad day for dsf

[therapist]

Paris Hilton's a dj, shows the amount of talent it takes!
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Yeah but it's premixed. Mistabishi did a better job of hiding it lol.

They pre-recorded it with all those random moments of the pitch/tempo changing?

[Adam Oracle]

i have to say mixing vinyl is alot harder than mixing with cdjs or serato/traktor or whatever, i started out when i was 15/16 and learnt on vinyl now i just use cdjs and i have to say its no where near as fun as mixing vinyl and sounds no where near as good. the best question ive been asked is by a mate who mixes techno and has only ever used cdjs and it was how do you even mix using vinyl so he had a go and couldnt grasp it at all, i find it even better when you watch someone that mixes using serato/traktor and all they do is look at the laptop screen to make sure its all beatmatched

ive got no idea if all this makes sense it just seems like im rabbling but anyway vinyl will always be better than digital end of

Not sure about your comparison with Serato/Tracktor as in my opinion this is no different to using vinyl, in the sense that the control of the vinyl is still influenced by the level of pitch on the deck and the interaction of the DJ's hands on the vinyl. These variables are no different when using vinyl? on a technical level there might be an arguement to suggest that the weight of a vinyl platter will have an effect on the use of pitch but that cant make that much difference.

I use Serato and can say i only look at the screen generally to gauage how much of the track is left that is currently being played (due to the fact that the vinyl platters are not cut in the conventional way as a normal 45 and the needle arm might be only 1/3 of the way into the vinyl after a full track has been played), and i also look at the screen when loading up a track, obviously!

I can not understand why anybody would stare at the screen to see if the beats were matched as this seems like a waste of valuable time within a mix and im not sure if thats something that is completley achievable in Scratch, as the waveforms zip by at a fast rate on the screen when a track is being played. Surely an experienced DJ's best tools will be their ears....and no matter what the control method, this has to be the ultimate reference point?

[hudson]

I thought djing was about setting a vibe and putting people on a musical journey, picking just the right tunes at the right time to tease them into the next... Not all this "ooh he can cue up a vinyl real well" business.

That's my view too. If I go to a party, I just want to hear good music. Who cares if it's coming out of a laptop or not? It's all soundwaves.

[skimpi]

i have to say mixing vinyl is alot harder than mixing with cdjs or serato/traktor or whatever, i started out when i was 15/16 and learnt on vinyl now i just use cdjs and i have to say its no where near as fun as mixing vinyl and sounds no where near as good. the best question ive been asked is by a mate who mixes techno and has only ever used cdjs and it was how do you even mix using vinyl so he had a go and couldnt grasp it at all, i find it even better when you watch someone that mixes using serato/traktor and all they do is look at the laptop screen to make sure its all beatmatched

ive got no idea if all this makes sense it just seems like im rabbling but anyway vinyl will always be better than digital end of

Not sure about your comparison with Serato/Tracktor as in my opinion this is no different to using vinyl, in the sense that the control of the vinyl is still influenced by the level of pitch on the deck and the interaction of the DJ's hands on the vinyl. These variables are no different when using vinyl? on a technical level there might be an arguement to suggest that the weight of a vinyl platter will have an effect on the use of pitch but that cant make that much difference.

I use Serato and can say i only look at the screen generally to gauage how much of the track is left that is currently being played (due to the fact that the vinyl platters are not cut in the conventional way as a normal 45 and the needle arm might be only 1/3 of the way into the vinyl after a full track has been played), and i also look at the screen when loading up a track, obviously!

I can not understand why anybody would stare at the screen to see if the beats were matched as this seems like a waste of valuable time within a mix and im not sure if thats something that is completley achievable in Scratch, as the waveforms zip by at a fast rate on the screen when a track is being played. Surely an experienced DJ's best tools will be their ears....and no matter what the control method, this has to be the ultimate reference point?

Well I dont know about serato, i think it is similar, as in virtual dj, the two waveforms whizz by like one on top of the other, so you know when the beats are matched as you can see the transients of kicks and percussion line up with the other track. On traktor though, the two tracks run side by side so you wouldnt be abel to do this.

[Attila]

Its alright saying using controllers and a laptop is better etc, but what happens when your laptop fucks up, or your controller fucks up? if you cant beatmatch for shit with cdjs/vinyl or you dont have back up cds/vinyl, your the one thats gonna look like a twat pretty quickly. a gig isnt a reward if you humiliate yourself in front of everyone

This is always a weak argument. What happens when your cdjs fuck up? What if the electricity goes out? Its like asking why bother driving if you might get a flat tire one day. In my 20 years of using computers I've only had any machine crash on me a couple of times. The odds of that happening during a one hour period every now and then are pretty much zero. And of all the laptop djs I've talked to, I've only heard from one or two that have ever had an issue live. Regardless, gears gonna go down eventually no matter what youre using, but I dont think a computer is any less reliable than a deck or certainly a cd.

And to whoever said vinyl isn't outdated...come on dude, really?

[AxeD]

the best question ive been asked is by a mate who mixes techno and has only ever used cdjs and it was how do you even mix using vinyl so he had a go and couldnt grasp it at all

I have this the other way around. Up until today I have no idea what I should do with the fucking cue button,
I just hold the platter on the cdj and release on cue
Started with timecode vinyl myself though.

[wormcode]

Paris Hilton's a dj, shows the amount of talent it takes!
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Yeah but it's premixed. Mistabishi did a better job of hiding it lol.

They pre-recorded it with all those random moments of the pitch/tempo changing?

That pitch thing was the camera or artifacting apparently. At least that what the upload said. There's another video in the related that didn't seem to have it. Or maybe she was just hitting the pitch fader instead of the flanger a couple of times. I only watched it once and that was enough lol.

[Artie_Fufkin]

I thought djing was about setting a vibe and putting people on a musical journey, picking just the right tunes at the right time to tease them into the next... Not all this "ooh he can cue up a vinyl real well" business.

That's my view too. If I go to a party, I just want to hear good music. Who cares if it's coming out of a laptop or not? It's all soundwaves.

[wwwmoo]

I understand the resistance by vinyl dj's to rate/like at all/tolerate digital dj-ing since so many idiots just go and throw together tunes that sound like shit with each other and dont understand the first thing musically about djing. but then there is always the other group of people who dj digitally but actually know what they're doing and can throw down a fire mix, use effects to make their set creative, etc..

I honestly just wish that everyone and their dog wasn't starting to be brainwashed into thinking everyone can be a dj. Thats not true. It's just a lot easier nowadays for anyone to steal traktor and play tunes for their friends who think that their friend who can "dj" is awesome

[Rekah]

i have to say mixing vinyl is alot harder than mixing with cdjs or serato/traktor or whatever, i started out when i was 15/16 and learnt on vinyl now i just use cdjs and i have to say its no where near as fun as mixing vinyl and sounds no where near as good. the best question ive been asked is by a mate who mixes techno and has only ever used cdjs and it was how do you even mix using vinyl so he had a go and couldnt grasp it at all, i find it even better when you watch someone that mixes using serato/traktor and all they do is look at the laptop screen to make sure its all beatmatched

ive got no idea if all this makes sense it just seems like im rabbling but anyway vinyl will always be better than digital end of

Not sure about your comparison with Serato/Tracktor as in my opinion this is no different to using vinyl, in the sense that the control of the vinyl is still influenced by the level of pitch on the deck and the interaction of the DJ's hands on the vinyl. These variables are no different when using vinyl? on a technical level there might be an arguement to suggest that the weight of a vinyl platter will have an effect on the use of pitch but that cant make that much difference.

I use Serato and can say i only look at the screen generally to gauage how much of the track is left that is currently being played (due to the fact that the vinyl platters are not cut in the conventional way as a normal 45 and the needle arm might be only 1/3 of the way into the vinyl after a full track has been played), and i also look at the screen when loading up a track, obviously!

I can not understand why anybody would stare at the screen to see if the beats were matched as this seems like a waste of valuable time within a mix and im not sure if thats something that is completley achievable in Scratch, as the waveforms zip by at a fast rate on the screen when a track is being played. Surely an experienced DJ's best tools will be their ears....and no matter what the control method, this has to be the ultimate reference point?

ive seen people using timecoded cds and they dont take their eyes of the screen its pretty shocking, serato/tracktor dont sound as good as vinyl aswell

the best question ive been asked is by a mate who mixes techno and has only ever used cdjs and it was how do you even mix using vinyl so he had a go and couldnt grasp it at all

I have this the other way around. Up until today I have no idea what I should do with the fucking cue button,
I just hold the platter on the cdj and release on cue
Started with timecode vinyl myself though.

ahahaha sometimes is actually easier doing that when your cdj decides to fuck up your cue point

[Adam Oracle]

[quote="ive seen people using timecoded cds and they dont take their eyes of the screen its pretty shocking, serato/tracktor dont sound as good as vinyl aswell[/quote]

well, like i said that sounds like a pretty crazy way to DJ when its your ears that are the ultimate reference point. The whole vinyl sounding better than serato/tracktor thing is a seperate discussion altogether to the original OP to be honest.