OSMUK 018 vs OSMUK 019 : Problems exposed

[CollisionCourse]

i think the problem is that youre fixating on this type of sound, as if thats the only kind of dubstep that has become stale and boring. theres more to dubstep than the polarizations of "dungeon" and "bro". the quicker people realise this the better off everyone will be.
also, osmuk018 and 019 are very similar type of music, the only real difference being one has 4x4 kick pattern and the other doesnt. both are dark and atmospheric, both are the same vibe.

[ultraspatial]

also, osmuk018 and 019 are very similar type of music, the only real difference being one has 4x4 kick pattern and the other doesnt. both are dark and atmospheric, both are the same vibe.

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Also, personally I don't think any of those artists you mentioned have the vibe Osiris goes for. I do agree that "dungeon" is getting a bit stale, but that happens to every niche once producers fixate on certain formulas.

[joeki]

Vague.

"Dark, Atmospheric" = kind of general isn't it? Half of dubstep then could qualify. No, its not that simple. I'm hearing a different pallet all together in the depths of OSMUK019 b-side, as I mentioned there are occasional hints, ever so subtle, of grime under a techno beat. Which is a far connection to what Helix did on a couple of tunes but from a different angle, this is black & white whereas Helix did in colourful manner Then there's the T++ style effects, the skudge influenced rolling beat. It differs more than just a 4x4 beat which is why the track sounded interesting to me in the first place. But I agree that we can disagree about that all day.

Also, beneath and Akkord (some of their tunes) not similar, at least in vibe? Fine we could disagree about that all day as well then. I strongly feel they are alike, so yeah similar might be the wrong word there.

Wow, are we almost coming to a discussion here? I'm sure I just got my hopes up for nothing...

[baddis98]

your starting post wasn't a good basis for discussion tbh. i think the way you approached the topic was the main reason for ppl's disagreement.

[ultraspatial]

I dunno mate. I just can't picture Osiris going in that direction. At least not with those particular artists. The OSMUK stuff is very clinical sounding, be it dnb, dubstep or techno; which imo gives it a whole different overall vibe. I personally can't even picture those artists in the same mix tbh.

[joeki]

Sure I hope they don't become carbon copies. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

Hmm, I probably didn't start the topic off according to etiquette, but I remember clarifying three posts in that the style of my posting shouldn't be taken too personally or even seriously (though my argument still stands) and the contents where two separate things all together.

I suppose the 'normal' way of posting things would have been :

"Hey guys don't be too offended, but damn I don't like that dungeon sound, it's always the same". Reaction would have been 50% the same and 50% even worse. At least I tried and give it some sort of context. Whether you think that makes me come off as a twat is irrelevant (though perhaps it prevented some partaking in the discussion for which I am of course to blame and take full responsibility, another lesson learned) but again shouldn't be taken as an insult to your music taste, which seems to be the bottom line.

[Cornbreadddd]

seriously what's your point? you don't like that kind of direction people like killawatt are taking with their tunes, fine! but why the comparison with that KM techno bit? what are you trying to say? that techno is the new dubstep? that KM should focus on that type of tunes in the future? why don't you listen to techno, if that's what you're looking for? i like 'breach', but just because it might be the first tune of that kind by KM, it doesn't mean it's anything revolutionary or special.

Agreed.

Also, I'm right there with you to an extent, I'm sick of hearing the same shit as well. However, I don't think Killawatt was necessarily the best example. Have you listened to the free EP he just gave away? It's by no means an EP which consists of "just some more dungeon tunes." His sound is so distinct, and so energetic. Listen to that tune "Locked In" on a system, the bass weight is incredible. On top of that, unlike a lot of dungeon producers, Killawatt actually has a lot of variations in his tunes, it's not the same loop for 6 minutes straight, there are lots of transitions and changes within the tunes, and that's something I appreciate immensely. I've always supported Killawatt and I always will.

Always for the last 6 months you've been listening to dubstep? lol. And now you're talking about tunes that are good on a system when you usually rag on "system tunes"... Give me a break.

Are you serious............

I always rag on tunes that only sound good on a huge system, these tunes aren't that. They sound amazing on the system that I have in my car or even earbuds. It's the tunes that people say only sound good on a thousand dollar rig that I have a problem with, but thanks for your concern.

Again, the issue at hand is not how long I've been listening to dubstep, but instead how long I've been listening to Killawatt, because after-all, that's specifically who I was mentioning in this case. Perhaps you should read peoples statements more thoroughly before making such brash and mindless comments. Yes, I have been listening to Killawatt since before he put out his first Wheel-N-Deal EP, so I believe I can say that I have "always" liked Killawatt.

I have no idea why you feel the necessity to be a dick when I have said nothing that concerns you,and on top of that, I'm simply stating my appreciation for an artist, yet you manage to find something wrong with that, incredible. People like you are responsible for the ubiquitous negativity in this community and on this forum. I know, I know, I was at one point a very obnoxious mongrel on this forum but since then, I've tried to be a little bit more respectful on this board. It makes no sense for everyone to be so negative, including myself, when we're all here and we all share a common interest, you would think that everyone would get along much better, but it's unnecessary and condescending comments such as this that perpetuate this omnipresent negativity. It's not the first time either, you always have something nasty to say about every comment I make, why? Is this some sort of insecurity of yours?

Sorry if I was a bit harsh here man, it's just comments like the one you made on the new coki tune that really get under my skin. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say tunes sound amazing on earbuds, but agreed, lots of tunes sound good on a nice pair of speakers as well as the club. I'll try to keep cool with you in the future, as you say, we are here for the same common interest.

Thanks man, I appreciate the respectful reply. I just want everyone to be able to come to the forum and share opinions and information without everyone always getting so angry and insulting towards one another. I'd truly be the hugest hypocrite if I were to say that at one point I wasn't the worst and most negative, condescending son of a bitch on this forum. I'm glad we've resolved this and we can move on in a positive direction! No problems with you at all man, glad we both can level with each other and have a mature resolution to our conflicts.

[dsprainman]

Thanks man, I appreciate the respectful reply. I just want everyone to be able to come to the forum and share opinions and information without everyone always getting so angry and insulting towards one another. I'd truly be the hugest hypocrite if I were to say that at one point I wasn't the worst and most negative, condescending son of a bitch on this forum. I'm glad we've resolved this and we can move on in a positive direction! No problems with you at all man, glad we both can level with each other and have a mature resolution to our conflicts.

No problem dude,
Some times you just need to be called out, and in this situation, I realized I was just hating for no reason. This music scene is small enough as is, need to be giving each other props and love rather than criticism and hate.

[Rekah]

i dont get this, everyones saying that the tribally/technoy stuff is the new dubstep but its already been done jack sparrow being one that springs to mind only thing thats changed is that the neuro sounds have been brought into it, nothing is new its all been done before lets just deal with it and stop moaning because it isnt going to help

[joeki]

stop moaning!

[fluents]

i personally rate the new KM release especially idiom, really cool to see how they can make a track flow so well with so little going on. i can see how people like killawatt i've just never been a fan dunno what it is just doesn't spark with me.