wormcode wrote:As mentioned it's not really new though. Maybe new for a few producers, but techno, house, 808s and 303s never went anywhere. Acid has been going strong for 20 years. Never went anywhere, so how can it 'come back'...
Personally I'd much rather hear generic house or whatever than cookie cutter dubstep that all sound like the same youtube tutorial.
i know these things have always been around but within the post-dubstep breakaway bass 'scene' or whatever you want to call it i think there is a tendency for bandwagoning. one sound or trend is popular, it gets cloned, rinsed to death and then becomes really irritating and stagnant. it's not just 303s or 808s. what about chipmunk garage vocals or those james blake organ sounds or the night slugs esque leads? those are other sounds that have been appropriated and then overused by loads of people.
and i know theres different factions and you can't really compare the house stuff to the techno stuff to the 808 swamp stuff to the future garage stuff to the whatever, but all of these scenes do overlap considerably into a larger beast imo
but i agree, i'd much rather hear any of that stuff than another dungeon/bro sound ever again.
wormcode wrote:As mentioned it's not really new though. Maybe new for a few producers, but techno, house, 808s and 303s never went anywhere. Acid has been going strong for 20 years. Never went anywhere, so how can it 'come back'...
Maybe "come back" was the wrong terminology. The popularity has definitely risen though, especially in the context of people posting on dubstepforum.
skwiggo wrote:it's not just 303s or 808s. what about chipmunk garage vocals or those james blake organ sounds or the night slugs esque leads? those are other sounds that have been appropriated and then overused by loads of people.
Well chipmunk has been around since the early 90s jungle and hardcore, James Blake's organs are just organs? The Night Slugs leads, not sure what you mean but I don't think those are special synths, just using them in odd ways. Not trying to be argumentative though, I get your point by them being used by people who used to make dubstep (though not all of them did...). What's good about it IMO though, is you can't really make youtube tutorials on that stuff because it's all relatively simple to make, so if people are going to make it, they'd have to come up with something really good to make it comparable and stand out. Then again there's several bro/dubstep type producers who sound almost identical...
I think the true shotgun blast to the knee was having countless Youtube tutorials on how 2 maek teh wobbles and all the 'how to sound like ____' ones. The other blast to the other knee was sample companies trying to exploit the genre as soon as it became popular. They've already started to move on though and are now exploiting the complextro type crap.
skwiggo wrote:it's not just 303s or 808s. what about chipmunk garage vocals or those james blake organ sounds or the night slugs esque leads? those are other sounds that have been appropriated and then overused by loads of people.
Well chipmunk has been around since the early 90s jungle and hardcore, James Blake's organs are just organs? The Night Slugs leads, not sure what you mean but I don't think those are special synths, just using them in odd ways. Not trying to be argumentative though, I get your point by them being used by people who used to make dubstep (though not all of them did...). What's good about it IMO though, is you can't really make youtube tutorials on that stuff because it's all relatively simple to make, so if people are going to make it, they'd have to come up with something really good to make it comparable and stand out. Then again there's several bro/dubstep type producers who sound almost identical...
I think the true shotgun blast to the knee was having countless Youtube tutorials on how 2 maek teh wobbles and all the 'how to sound like ____' ones. The other blast to the other knee was sample companies trying to exploit the genre as soon as it became popular. They've already started to move on though and are now exploiting the complextro type crap.
nah man its cool i love debating this sort of stuff! what i meant more than anything is that when james blake and mount kimbie etc. started using those organ sounds and pitched vocals for example i started hearing loads of copycat tracks using the exact same sounds not long after. the same with the night slugs detuned synths. when people keep regurgitating the same sounds made by other more popular producers or popular producers use the same sounds over and over it gets really annoying IMO. and then they move onto something else and the same thing happens again. i suppose this happens in all electronic music genres but since quite a lot of the music i have listened to for the past year or two comes from this 'uk bass' scene or whatever you want to call it (hate that term) i must notice it more if you know what i mean.
i agree about the simple sounds and thats something i don't get about brostep - the stupid growly bass modulations and whatever come at the expense of the tracks themselves anyway. couple that with youtube tutorials that allows anyone with a cracked daw/massive and a laptop to make these sounds and you've got instant mediocrity lol.
Maybe it's just me, but i find unprocessed, old drum machine kits just cheesey, boring and just plain... "bad-sounding". I mean, people go on and about the amen-break, but that shit is at least a decade fresher than an 808. Be creative with your drum programming and manipulation people, please.
ticktickicktickicktickicktickicktickicktickicktick is crap.
I get you skwiggo. But it's not just electronic music... how many grunge bands started after Nirvana. Or how many punk bands after Velvet Underground/Ramones? I think part of it is that everything is so in our faces now with Internet and such. It doesn't take 6 months or a year to find out about a new EP or band or whatever, it takes closer to 6 seconds of opening a browser.
I'm definitely not tired of this 909/808/303 type stuff though as it's the music I was listening to in the 90s even before garage or dubstep. It still doesn't sound like Chicago house or Detroit techno to me though, so I think they are keeping it interesting.
skwiggo wrote:i think the best thing if your goin to use those sort of drummachine hits is to mix them up with live percussion, found sounds, chopped breaks etc.
still better than vengeance electro pack bro drums tho aren't they?
exactly, nobody out there who knows what they're doing is using nothing but one drum machine pack to write make their drums
skwiggo wrote:i think the best thing if your goin to use those sort of drummachine hits is to mix them up with live percussion, found sounds, chopped breaks etc.
still better than vengeance electro pack bro drums tho aren't they?
exactly, nobody out there who knows what they're doing is using nothing but one drum machine pack to write make their drums
unless your making a complete throwback tune from the days when folk could only use one drum machine or whatever
example - mr fingers can you feel it: a roland juno and a 707 - nothing more or less.
i'm def getting on this now you've said it!
