Why ya'll should be blessing up SubFM as much as you can...

[jrisreal]

oh no wait...it's 912, you're good

[wub]

Now imagine Spain.

Whereabouts?

The main person who "got" what I was reaching at was Wub, but then again, like me, he is an old crusty geezer.

I'm 30 you bastard

was that many of the younger generation don't understand that it isn't about Soundcloud or Mixcloud hits... or showing respect in a thread... or whatever. These are are all fabrications of the past 5+ years that people think mean anything. They really don't. It is easy to click "Like" on FB, or post "Big Ups" on a thread or whatever...

Too many folk on here that are guilty of this, I'm sorry to say.

[hutyluty]

It must be tough being some of the last true heads on dsf. Keep educating us please, for the good of th scene.

Everything was much better in the olden days.

[wub]

Not saying that at all.

But the accessibility of technology is altering things, and not necessarily for the best. Soundcloud has devalued the production & promotion of tracks massively...services like Cloudkiller are evidence enough of that.

[Marzz]

I love SubFM I wish I had an iPhone to get the app...

[hutyluty]

Things might not have changed for the better, but not everyone uses cloudkillers etc..

The internet gives access to a lot of interaction between likeminded producers all over the world- noone is restricted to their local crew (which is good or i'd be making bassline). I like many use sc as a social thing too- supporting artists im feeling. Just cos its the internet doesnt mean its not real.

[Shum]

(which is good or i'd be making bassline)

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Big ups this thread.

[wub]

Things might not have changed for the better, but not everyone uses cloudkillers etc..

The internet gives access to a lot of interaction between likeminded producers all over the world- noone is restricted to their local crew (which is good or i'd be making bassline). I like many use sc as a social thing too- supporting artists im feeling. Just cos its the internet doesnt mean its not real.

No, but the value of Internet community vs. real world community is debateable. My earlier comments re; anyone with an internet connection being part of the scene still hold value. Irrespective of how many likes someone has on a SC track, what does this translate into in the real world other than a sense of self worth?

I'm not suggesting that ye good olde days were a magical golden time or anything, but the accessibility of tech has devalued things. Shitty producers making shitty tunes with cracked software released on personal internet 'labels' just water things down to the point where it's like trying to catch raindrops in your hand - you'll never have anything of value and you'll just make yourself wet trying to do so.

Sure, there are instances of producers coming from nowhere (relatively speaking) online and making it huge with forward thinking tunes (Joy Orbison, for one)...but these are getter fewer and further between, and offset against the torrent of shit that does exist and adds nothing of any value what's the end result?

TBH I think a lot of my opinion on this is somewhat hypocritical. Actually not hypocritical, that's the wrong word, but a bit navel gazing at the very least. I'm not actively doing anything to resolve this situation from my end, promoting/more mixes/podcasts/radio etc etc...but then again if I did that, would it be a knee jerk reaction...would it add something worthwhile to the scene as I've just mentioned, or would it just be another vanity project serving only to make myself feel like something still matters in what I do?

[Mad_EP]

thanks for the info about beat research i hadnt heard of it before! about money being an issue... how can i play tunes that i dont own? and after shipping prices most records are $10+ a piece. until i get some way to play digital im stuck paying the big bucks, and the only way to play digital is to pay even bigger bucks. on top of that, didnt you say dj's pay to play on sub.fm? dont take this as complaining, im just want you to see where im coming from. right now i only have about 10 records, just grabbed another 20 from ck trust off the forums, and thats hardly enough to play a few slightly varied sets if that :/
:Q
ps: similar to bassic boston, beat research plays at good life which is a 21+ club, wouldnt be able to get in unless i was spinning.

OK - Well if you have 10-20 records... you shouldn't be complaining about not playing. Build up your collection and keep practicing.

[mikeyp]

not really sure where this thread has gone after the first few posts but i have some input.

i think this may be due to the age of the internet. with a couple clicks you can find hundreds and thousands of "producers." i feel like it's less personal these days. i'd support any dsf guys because we're a small little community, and i guess if my stuff were on a radio show i'd appreciate it and throw the show and other artists out there once in awhile but really the only crew or people i'm going to support fully are the ones i know in real life and see out at every event i'm playing or am at.

i used to wonder how all these producers were such good friends and shit but then I realized it's because most of the time they came up together and knew each other before they were big. if i find an artist on the internet that i really love then yeah i'm going to support them and share their stuff or whatever but other than that, it's not personal and if you start with one, where do you stop? if you do it a bunch it will lose its credibility (might not be the right word i'm looking for) but i think you can figure out what I mean.

tl;dr i don't even know what i just said

[Mad_EP]

I'm 30 you bastard

Crusty enough for me! I just turned 36 - and to be honest - I like being an 'old' man. I have been talking about this with some of the hiphop mcs I work with - when you are a kid, you have to find some way to make your mark, ie- be the hardest, the most gangsta, the craziest, the most intellectual, the whatever.. but as a teenager or early 20-something trying to break out, usually you need an "-est" to follow some sort of adjective about you. Me and my guys these days don't give a fuck. We just make dope shit. Sometimes it is experimental - but it don't need to be the most "experimental-est"... sometimes we make bangers, but they don't need to be the "banging-est", etc etc. We just make ill shit that don't need a qualifier. Like my brother MC Dalek said in one of his tracks "We make grown folk music"

i used to wonder how all these producers were such good friends and shit but then I realized it's because most of the time they came up together and knew each other before they were big. if i find an artist on the internet that i really love then yeah i'm going to support them and share their stuff or whatever but other than that, it's not personal and if you start with one, where do you stop? if you do it a bunch it will lose its credibility (might not be the right word i'm looking for) but i think you can figure out what I mean.

Sometimes peeps meet each other on the way up - but also sometimes you meet on the scene. If you are doing dope shit and are cool - you'll make friends who also make dope shit and are cool. What a lot of people don't realize from the outside is how most "name" artists are still huge music fans - and usually listen to a lot of stuff outside their "scene"... My musician friend contacts range from classical & hiphop (scenes I rep) - but also electro-acoustic, ambient, house, drum n bass, noise, glitch, blues, jazz, rock, funk, etc etc.

I am not advocating supporting for the sake of supporting - but I am saying - these days it is easy to think you are supporting by clicking a "like" button or whatever... but real support goes further than that. If you really like an artist or show or whatever - get behind it. There are people out there who really throw their weight behind shit they think need a spotlight... but people like that are becoming fewer and fewer - and they too need support..

[hasezwei]

all the internet producers and djs in the world still wont play in your city if theyre not living there. theres no reason to be scared. if you're not aiming to be internet famous they're not gonna be competition.

will your local dj rather play tunes he got sent by a complete stranger via the internet or the usb stick full of nice tunes you gave him after chatting to him on the last gig?

start thinking locally again. if you live in a city with thousands of djs and producers well bad for you (and at the same time good for you) but for example here in northern germany the dnb scene is small and everyone kinda knows everyone, not many producers involved either. knowing people helps, if youre friends with a dj he will push your stuff or be honest enough to tell you its shit when its shit. if you know other producers you can meet up and collab or just hang out and talk production, its all good.

honestly i dont really see what's changed in the real world, on the internet yes lots of things have changed but thats inevitable. theres more competition and more shit to sift through. the only thing thats really changed IRL is that its much much harder to sell/physically release music but thats a different matter.

[hasezwei]

and regarding what you said, Mad EP:
i havent had stuff played out so far, but i've met a couple people in the dnb scene here in germany and support their events when i have the time and money available. even if i cant go there i tell friends about gigs if theyre near them, i introduce people to each other, i've helped setting up gigs et cetera. and i would love to do much much more once the financial situation allows it.
however thats all IRL, its real. its people i've been in the same room with. the thing is, i listened to sub.fm on an almost daily basis back when i was 100% into dubstep, but sub.fm is on the internet. how the heck am i supposed to support other than saying big ups in a thread or liking on facebook from here? if sub.fm was streaming from this city for sure i'd support the whole thing, cause i could for example come over and bring some equipment or whatever.

but if you think sub.fm lacks real support ask real people, not us zeros and ones on the internet. we can only support you with zeros and ones.

[Immerse]

OK - Well if you have 10-20 records... you shouldn't be complaining about not playing. Build up your collection and keep practicing.

like i said, not complaining. just trying to show you that not all of us are in the situation where we could support local scenes even if we really wanted to

[twilight]

like i said, not complaining. just trying to show you that not all of us are in the situation where we could support local scenes even if we really wanted to

This. I live in South Carolina, enough said. You do have some good points in the original post though.

[inDistinkt]

To put it simply (though I haven't read the entire thread), the internet is a tool in it's own right. Any tool, or really anything that makes any process easier, can and will be used for good purposes as well as bad. It depends completely on who's using said "tool" and what their intentions are.
IMO if someone wants to go out and support a scene, they'd have done it either way, even without an internet. These people can use the internet to find unknown producers who aren't local, then they choose what to do from there. People who use services like soundcloud, then dont do much else to support the artists they find, wouldnt have taken the effort to support a given scene anyways. They probably wouldn't have even found the tunes in the first place, where as someone who already wishes to contribute to a scene can use the internet to make it easier to do so.
My main point is that there are only going to be more people than before who find stuff on soundcloud and go out to purchase eps and go to shows. Although the people who dont put in any effort are now connected with the music/scene in a way, and we have to deal with them, it's not like they would've supported the artists anyways if they didn't have soundcloud. Just my opinion, and I'm sure people on here know more about the way the underground industry works better than I do so not trying to disagree with anyone.

Overall, we gain some ignorant fucks, but the amount of people actually interested is also rising as well. Thats the way it seems to be going here in the states as of now, and a good amount of people over here who like "bass music" and techno and whatnot, most likely were introduced through the rise in popularity of shitty pop edm/the internet.

[Attila]

I've tried getting groups together in dc with varying success, but at this point im pretty sure that it's just a matter of no one being dedicated anymore. I really believe anyone that has that level of passion is already successful or too busy producing to do something else. I mean as producers we already know what we need to do to make it happen-just log countless hours into the studio daily. The most successful "meetups" have been with other producers over Skype who i know are putting in the work.

I could kind of envision the best scenario to organize a group would be through tinychat or some other video conferencing mean so that you could have the necessary quality and quantity of members to foster a scene. Going out into the real world these days is too inefficient.

[bkwsk]

Now imagine Spain.

Whereabouts?

Seville. I know there's a few things going in Madrid and Barcelona, but I'm in the deep south here .

[Hircine]

there's only one monthly dubstep night around here, but it has dresscodes (no hats ) and it's always the same djs with a few international artists coming over. it's a good night with good music, but not an ideal night imo and not enough diversity. a friend of mine's first night is going to happen in a few days but he's the only one playing dubstep, with other 3 djs playing 4x4 stuff. aside from that, there's nothing expressive going on here, barely any decent dubstep producers. internet allows me to pay respect to producers and djs that I like through big upping, facebook likes and soundcloud follows. netlabels are a realistic way of releasing my tunes. There's actually something happen where you guys are, I'd give anything to be in your places, to be an hour drive from a system night, to actually know that there are more than a few people doing something real, to have a real record shop instead of having to order shit through internet and wait a month, to pay less than the value of my car for a pair of sl1200s and a decent mixer.