has it become?

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:46 pm

JBE wrote:
I personally don't come here very often anymore, not because of the repeat threads and lack of intuitive discussion, but because every thread seems to turn into a shitfest. Most threads end up turning into some sort of an argument by the second page. To me that's worse than all of the other crap. I don't know what everyone else comes here for, but I don't come here for that. I got better shit I could be doing if that's what every thread is going to turn into.

Even the good threads, there's that one dick that says something completely off topic and gets everyone started.. It's a shame =[..

Again guys, I probably came in with the wave of new fella's that ruined the forum, but for real I take this shit serous. And i think i have some quality posts'.

Im still down from a secret sub forum for experienced producers,

let the production forum self destruct... then come back after the fallout and REBUILD!!!

Italus · Post by **Italus** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:48 pm

I'm quite new to these forums but I don't think the entire "how to make this sound" thing isn't all that bad. I'm guilty of it and I'm sure a lot of people are, but after a few years of producing you begin to realize that you want your own unique style. I have found from the sounds I have copied I've made completely new sounds. Learning how to make the sounds other producers make definitely makes you a better producer. And you also learn a ton more about the synthesizer you are using. Half the kids posting these questions are newer to producing anyway. As for trap, I hope and pray that genre dies quickly.

MassAphekt · Post by **MassAphekt** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:29 pm

Italus wrote:I'm quite new to these forums but I don't think the entire "how to make this sound" thing isn't all that bad. I'm guilty of it and I'm sure a lot of people are, but after a few years of producing you begin to realize that you want your own unique style. I have found from the sounds I have copied I've made completely new sounds. Learning how to make the sounds other producers make definitely makes you a better producer. And you also learn a ton more about the synthesizer you are using. Half the kids posting these questions are newer to producing anyway. As for trap, I hope and pray that genre dies quickly.

this. i don't see how asking others for guidance on synthesis is such a big no no for everybody, yea sure, we get it, be unique, find your own sound bla bla, but there are only so much sounds and combinations spread amongst thousands of producers, it's the written part that separates you as an artist, your combinations of sounds is what makes or breaks it when appealing to a certain crowd in any genre. And I reinforce that with there is already a thread for just that. and if there was someone to ask how to make a sound on a separate thread, kindly let the noob know there's a place for those kinds of questions. lets keep it mature.. and that doesn't mean compromising your humor. so quit bitchin. if you got nothing good to say, theres no need to say it.

jrisreal · Post by **jrisreal** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:27 pm

We need a subforum called "Troduction Pardware & Hechnical" so that n00bees get confused and click on Production Hardware & Technical, when the former is where the real discussion is at

jrisreal · Post by **jrisreal** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:30 pm

I just realized the initials of Production Hardware And Technical spell out "P.H.A.T."

Marzz · Post by **Marzz** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:38 pm

jrisreal wrote:We need a subforum called "Troduction Pardware & Hechnical" so that n00bees get confused and click on Production Hardware & Technical, when the former is where the real discussion is at

Genius.

Italus · Post by **Italus** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:43 pm

jrisreal wrote:I just realized the initials of Production Hardware And Technical spell out "P.H.A.T."

Subforum called "PHAT", I like it.

Brewce · Post by **Brewce** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:48 pm

I just googled fm8 tutorials the other day and the majority of results were dsf topics "FM8 skrillex wobbly bass growl tutorial"

Mad_EP · Post by **Mad_EP** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:50 pm

Italus wrote:I'm quite new to these forums but I don't think the entire "how to make this sound" thing isn't all that bad. I'm guilty of it and I'm sure a lot of people are, but after a few years of producing you begin to realize that you want your own unique style. I have found from the sounds I have copied I've made completely new sounds. Learning how to make the sounds other producers make definitely makes you a better producer.

That's great - but that is why there were two threads created for that exact purpose:

How To Make This Sound (January 2012 - July 2012)
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=230398

How To Make This Sound (August 2012 +)
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=252431

Those threads were created so that
1) it would hopefully cut down the number of repeat posts (the same sounds are often asked several times)
2) cut down on the clutter to make room for a wider array of questions

The problem that many of the older users have - is not that less experienced producers have questions... but rather that they don't take any time to see if the question has already been asked before (often it has - MANY times), or use the threads that have been created for such purposes.

*** also - before anyone says "but I didn't know such a thread existed!"...

if people actually used the appropriate thread - it would stay on the front page.

JTreeZY · Post by **JTreeZY** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:52 pm

When some real good dubstep gets released its gunna hit you that much harder and this is a forum about dubstep and this sub forum is about production and as some one who hasnt been here for long I can tell you its pretty damn good, and it could be a lot worse

bibbyj · Post by **bibbyj** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:08 pm

Instead of a separate secret uber producers forum, why not create a beginners production sub forum, all simple production questions could be moved there, along with any basic tutorials, advice, etc.
This way people could either drop by and help out, or ignore it and stick to the main production forum. I think with the right title i.e avoid using a name like "noobs sub forum", and with sympathetic patient mod's, it could clean up the forum a bit more, and like the production bible, and gain structure thread, could end up being an asset for DSF as a whole.

When i first got interested in sound design and production, i joined a few forums which had secret parts or you couldn't ask questions until you'd proved yourself worthy etc, and personally i found it elitist and off putting, and i firmly believe that free to join open forums such as this are for everyone to enjoy and learn from no matter what your level of experience, everybody who is a member of this place has gained from all the knowledge freely given here and that's how it should remain, just my tuppence worth.

Italus · Post by **Italus** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:30 pm

bibbyj wrote:Instead of a separate secret uber producers forum, why not create a beginners production sub forum, all simple production questions could be moved there, along with any basic tutorials, advice, etc.
This way people could either drop by and help out, or ignore it and stick to the main production forum. I think with the right title i.e avoid using a name like "noobs sub forum", and with sympathetic patient mod's, it could clean up the forum a bit more, and like the production bible, and gain structure thread, could end up being an asset for DSF as a whole.

When i first got interested in sound design and production, i joined a few forums which had secret parts or you couldn't ask questions until you'd proved yourself worthy etc, and personally i found it elitist and off putting, and i firmly believe that free to join open forums such as this are for everyone to enjoy and learn from no matter what your level of experience, everybody who is a member of this place has gained from all the knowledge freely given here and that's how it should remain, just my tuppence worth.

I agree with this so much.

wormcode · Post by **wormcode** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:41 pm

About the subforums question, and the 'not letting people post until they are approved' discussion, there was a recent debate had on such subjects that spanned several pages, and surprise... it was just 1 month ago. There's been others though.

It basically ended with this:

wub wrote:To recap this thread;

- No subforums for n00b producers...this is up there with asking people to move to the back of the bus IMO (plus why would more experienced producers venture in there? Only to give advice, which they could do in the main production area anyway)
- General FAQ section is something I've been bouncing around with a few of you for a while now, be happy to incorporate it if there were a list of what 'basic' questions needed answering.
- Having a questionnaire before you can join/use the production forum isn't practical as it would need to be applied forum wide.

Always up for suggestions though, good to see a 'state of the board' taking place...even if it did turn to name calling a little quickly

jrisreal · Post by **jrisreal** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:16 am

It should be clear that a sub forum for experienced produces or new producers will never be put in action. It may seem like a good idea for organization, to you. however it is:
A) simply not going to be structured properly, considering that experienced producers will never go to the newcomer subforum to help them out because it will not benefit them in any way...and
B) that idea has been discussed many times before. Each time it is given a solid "No".

I apologies for being grammatically improper. I'm writing this with the speech to text application on my phone

Immerse · Post by **Immerse** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:21 am

jr your tts program is off the chain

subfect · Post by **subfect** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:59 am

deadly habit wrote:has it seriously become to the point here that dubstep is long forgotten, brostep is common and trap etc is known
what the fuck happened to the board being about production, skills. not how do i sound like x artist more how do i synthesize this?
wtf happened guys?
its why i rarely post anymore this board is full of shit a cesspool if you will, same with snh

Rofl. Been like this for years, deadly - going back to the wobble days. Cmon man. You can't stop people wanting to imitate others.

Marzz · Post by **Marzz** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:52 am

subfect wrote:
deadly habit wrote:has it seriously become to the point here that dubstep is long forgotten, brostep is common and trap etc is known
what the fuck happened to the board being about production, skills. not how do i sound like x artist more how do i synthesize this?
wtf happened guys?
its why i rarely post anymore this board is full of shit a cesspool if you will, same with snh
Rofl. Been like this for years, deadly - going back to the wobble days. Cmon man. You can't stop people wanting to imitate others.

When kids first saw Skrillex's font on his EP cover
EVERYONE copied it. Imitation is stupid

Marzz · Post by **Marzz** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:01 am

Maxxan · Post by **Maxxan** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:06 am

On the 'how to make this sound' thing, I do this a lot. Thing is, I hardly even make dubstep. I'm into glitch and electro. I want to know how the sounds are made to deepen my understanding of synthesis, and if at some point in the future I would want to I could incorporate certain techniques from said sounds to make a new one of my own. Just because I want to know how skrillex makes those growls doesn't mean that I want to sound exactly the same. It could be a bad thing but it could also be a good thing.

Also, it's not as bad as some people seem to think. It's pretty easy to see what threads are gonna go down the shitter and which ones arent. If you're not a fan of the 'how-to' stuff, just stay away from the 'Help me make growlzzzzz"-threads. There aren't THAT many of them, not like they're clogging up the whole front page.

Dystinkt · Post by **Dystinkt** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:26 pm

having read through this discussion after my first post I think the FAQ thread thing would be the best solution, but then again itd technically just be a beginners version of the production bible. People would still ask questions and get linked ot that like people used to get linked to the production bible. most people read what their sent to, a few fuckwits choose to ignore it.the secret subforum ideas bollocks, I'd be nowhere near as competent as I am at production without reading half the stuff on here at the time i had no understanding of but I took the time learn about it all. I think traps just another fad personally, to me it seems like something for the hipsters to do after moombahton and dubstep, so I don't think there's a legitimate cause for a trap production thread on here. it only has threads on the other boards here because its pretty similar ot hiphop from my viewpoint and there's a lot of hip hop heads on the other boards.

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