Reason 7

[hutyluty]

Seriously though, i'd like to hear someone make a synth like the one in my signature (which is easily created in sylenth) with reason stock stuff (no RE's), if you succeed, it take back everything.

I dont want to make a synth that sounds like that, its all about what synth is good for the kind of stuff you want to make for real.

[RmoniK]

Exactly, and i find reason's stock stuff to be limiting for lush detuned pads. The antidote RE however is great for that stuff. But people need to wake up and realize thor isn't all that great, it just has a lot of routing capabilities.

[hutyluty]

Well i like it so fuk u

[OllieScott]

idk it still looks no better than #4 to me but what do i know. i wont buy till they add a new synth

I noticed a sound quality difference after upgrading from 4/5 to 6.5, and I doubt there going to be adding new synth through upgrade since there releasing there own ones (PX7) through the RE store.

[mr echo]

Well i like it so fuk u

LOL!

[mr echo]

Seriously though, in the couple of years I've been producing now I have used pretty much every DAW... except Logic (bloody mac!).

Reason is just a pain in the ass. I really don't get why they dont add VST support. I have read a bit about the reasons why but honestly... does anyone here think it's a good thing that they don't support VST? It's really limiting on creativity! - IMO of course

Regarding Thor... I didn't find it so great. To be honest, again IMO, most sounds commonly used in most forms of electronic music nowadays can be programmed into any synth. Sure they might have slightly different (well, not always slightly) characteristics in sound colour etc... but really they pretty much all do the same things. It's all down to personal preference I suppose. If you really want something special then get your hands on omnisphere. That thing can produce sounds I wouldn't dream of even trying to get out of ANY other synth. Again, not supporting VST - such a limit on creativity. Thor.... LOL! I mean, I can't think of a sound I would be able to get out of Thor that I couldn't get out of Massive. And Massive has such a great user friendly interface... I mean, I feel like I can really see the sound coming together as I build my patch in massive. IMO this is why it is so popular. I mean, Sylenth, anything by RP, anything by NI. I have heard this so much when people are arguing for Reason. "Yeah maybe we don't have VST support, BUT WE HAVE THOR!" Seriously? So you miss out on all these great plugins... so you can have Thor?

On top of that, think of all the effects plugins you're missing out on. I love all the soundtoys stuff, U-he, fabfilter, softube etc etc. My tunes would not be the same without this stuff. When you really get into effects you find certain plugs that effect the sound in a way that no other does. It's not like synthesis. Some effects plugins are really very unique.

My VST library will just keep growing. It will keep getting better. More possibilities will keep revealing themselves. And I won't be held back because the developers of my DAW made some ridiculous marketing decisions.

Sorry for the huge rant! Hope I didn't offend any hardcore Reason users. I actually really respect people working in Reason because I really do think it just hinders the creative process so much that when people make something great in it they really do deserve respect!

Anyone use Studio One V2? Been using that now for about 9 months and I love it! Such a great workflow!

[VirtualMark]

Reason is just a pain in the ass. I really don't get why they dont add VST support. I have read a bit about the reasons why but honestly... does anyone here think it's a good thing that they don't support VST? It's really limiting on creativity! - IMO of course

This is debatable - many people believe that restrictions breed creativity. If you're forced to learn only one synth - you will learn it inside out. You'll know what each waveform sounds like, you'll learn sweet spots etc. Whereas if you download 30 of the best synths - you have little to no chance of mastering them.

And a lot of newcomers(myself included when i started out) think that there is a plugin that'll give them the sound they're after, which isn't the case. There's lots of ways to get a similar result.

That being said - i love VSTs and wouldn't want to give them up. If a new plugin comes out i like to try it, not because it'll give me a sound but mainly because i'm a fan of technology.

[mr echo]

Reason is just a pain in the ass. I really don't get why they dont add VST support. I have read a bit about the reasons why but honestly... does anyone here think it's a good thing that they don't support VST? It's really limiting on creativity! - IMO of course

This is debatable - many people believe that restrictions breed creativity. If you're forced to learn only one synth - you will learn it inside out. You'll know what each waveform sounds like, you'll learn sweet spots etc. Whereas if you download 30 of the best synths - you have little to no chance of mastering them.

And a lot of newcomers(myself included when i started out) think that there is a plugin that'll give them the sound they're after, which isn't the case. There's lots of ways to get a similar result.

That being said - i love VSTs and wouldn't want to give them up. If a new plugin comes out i like to try it, not because it'll give me a sound but mainly because i'm a fan of technology.

I definitely see where you are coming from with the 'restrictions breed creativity'. But this is only one side of the coin. Restrictions will both breed and restrict creativity. I basically just do not see the appeal AT ALL of limiting the tools you can use. I mean, maybe it would be a good idea to limit yourself for say 3 months - and see what you can do with what you chose top restrict yourself to. But spending so much money on something that will just restrict you completely? I just don't get it!

I agree with what you said about newcomers thinking there is a plugin that will get them a certain sound. I too was under that impression when I first started out. But I quickly learned that it was not the case. For me it was part of the process of learning. It was something I couldn't be told. I had to find out for myself! However, as time has gone on I have found certain effects plugs that I know will do something that nothing else will. BUT... these are sounds/vibes/effects/whatever that I have found myself. Sounds that I picked up as I used the plugs more. Not sounds that I originally heard somewhere else and intentionally set out to copy. They are original. I don't think Reason's effects plugs are all that great either. They certainly don't boast original features and functions.

I have heard a lot of people say the sequencer is great too? I don't really get that either? I certainly can't see how it is any BETTER than any other? I found it quite backwards.

Argh, I really need to shut up now. Sorry everyone. I clearly have unresolved issues with Reason which must have stemmed from early childhood trauma!

It's all personal preference at the end of the day!

[ehbes]

The last few posts have been cringe

[VirtualMark]

The last few posts have been cringe

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What did i say?

[RmoniK]

The sequencer for me is the only reason i love reason. It's great for anyone who's not just messing about dragging notes over and makes monophonic dubstep. I like way you can draw notes by holding command (mac), i like the way you can change the velocity of an individual note easily above, i like the way the tool window's velocity and quantization tools work (no other DAW has something like this - at least not as advanced), i like how when you ctrl + c notes, the marker will be directly behind those notes so you can just continously click ctrl v, and most of all, i freaking LOVE the automation. Everyone automated thing has it's own lane. Every lane has a default value and this can only be changed inside a automation clip which is independent of the note clip that goes with it. It's a freaking dream. I hate the fact that most daws link their automation to the notes, and they don't put them in clips. It's so annoying if you're used to doing it in reason.

Last but most certainly not least: the ReGroove mixer is great for quick groove adding without having to extract grooves anywhere, and putting tracks ahead and back of time (i use it to put my clap a few ms before the snare for example).

As far as piano roll sequencing goes, logic is the closest i've found so far. But logic fails in loads of other aspects. I'm still on a quest to find the perfect DAW for me. Still no luck. Guess i'm picky.

I swear, one of these days, i'm gonna start coding my own DAW.

[ehbes]

The last few posts have been cringe

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What did i say?

I should amend that, your posts have been a beacon of hope

[AxeD]

My all time favourite producers work with limited software and/or hardware setups.
I don't give a toot when there's a thousand new plugins coming out, unless they are really good.
A ton of them are really not that good.

I do have Logic and Pro Tools too though. But most of my plugins are for mixing jobs.
Also, I don't think anyone would try to make up for the lack of vst support by saying Reason has Thor.
There's soft synths that are better than Thor anyway.

[RmoniK]

The last few posts have been cringe

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What did i say?

I should amend that, your posts have been a beacon of hope

Just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean he's wrong =.= DSF mentality rite der

[ehbes]

The last few posts have been cringe

?

What did i say?

I should amend that, your posts have been a beacon of hope

Just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean he's wrong =.= DSF mentality rite der

thats not it at all. i have no problem with people not liking reason fair play to them. my problem is with people who talk shit about it (or any DAW for that matter) with little to nothing to back it up.

please go back to Boyinabandforum

[RmoniK]

How did we not back up our opinion? ... You're the one that's just saying 'your opinion makes no sense go away', we are argumenting what we like and dislike about reason. Some of you guys seriously need to get your heads out of your asses and realize you're not all that. Why is it so hard for you to understand that some people have other opinions, and theirs are just as valid as yours?

[prism]

7 looks cool. Already preordered with the Balance audio interface

[nitz]

Seriously though, i'd like to hear someone make a synth like the one in my signature (which is easily created in sylenth) with reason stock stuff (no RE's), if you succeed, it take back everything.

The snyth in the intro?

[hifi]

reason 4/3 is still king

[mr echo]

The last few posts have been cringe

?

What did i say?

I should amend that, your posts have been a beacon of hope

Just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean he's wrong =.= DSF mentality rite der

thats not it at all. i have no problem with people not liking reason fair play to them. my problem is with people who talk shit about it (or any DAW for that matter) with little to nothing to back it up.

please go back to Boyinabandforum

I think you are just one of those people that gets genuinely offended just because someone slates what you are using. I had plenty to back my argument up. Either you didnt read what I wrote or you just dont have anything to argue back.

This does not need to get personal. My issue is with Propellorheads - I feel they should be giving their customers more than they are. It is not much to ask to have them at least keep up with other software. Especially with the price of Reason!

So yeah man don't take it so personally man. "go back to Boyinabandforum" - LOL!!!!