Coki - Road Rage

ozols man · Post by **ozols man** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:14 am

what i rate about coki is he has got that non apologetic ill fuck u up if i have to style. what i love hearing about his music is it revolves around a similar formula such as the bassline riffs and drums but the STYLE, like the way he makes the SOUND is constantly evolving, i personally get the most itnrigue out of where hes gonna take it next, not to mention his music is always shit hot...

d-nile · Post by **d-nile** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:07 am

I think everyone on here has a point which is worthwhile - but I think point Elementalism makes about coki's beats 'doing things' in a club is pretty valid.

I am not mad on spongebob and I haven't heard road rage but what always gets me about coki's stuff is the DRUMS.

Who else does those shimmery shakers? The space in his beats is great - I rate his drums and minimalism more than anything else. His cracking snares sound like they came from a dilla record.

For me - he is one of the best producers for carrying forward the vibe of dub - without resorting to cheesy piano delays etc. I know burning is pretty reggae-ish but I personally get more of a dubby vibe from things like Red Eye.

He's really good at the spaced out stuff...

*grand* · Post by ***grand*** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:40 am

Sand Leaper wrote:
electric eliminator wrote: Man comes out with another completely off the wall style, and still folk aint happy, what gives?
I fail to see how Spongebob is so completely and radically different from his previous tunes? It sounds like another one of his tried and tested basslines to me, same structure, same progression, same emphasis. The only difference is that it has been warped and distorted like hell.

And Jeff Mills has been doing stuff outside of minimalism for years. Probably cos he has never felt compelled to provide his crowd with "bangers".

first things first coki dont give a shit about what your thinking...

Second Sponge Bob/Fuck off lengs down the dance.... thats what i want to hear when i go out.. just not os many rewinds...

Third, road rage doesnt sound like Sponge bob, or red eye.. and that BEEP BEEP, puts a smile on my face each and everytime i hear it

Forth, Coki is not only a badman in the dubstep world, he is also a badman in the reggae scene.....

i dunno how much you guys go out on the forums but when im out i like to hear things that put a smile on my face or cause me to go mental.... otherwise im outside FWDon the stairs reading that weeks edition of the economist...

coki doesnt have a big head, he is a safe guy.. this post was an appreciation post .. not lets kick him in the ribs while he's down....
His tunes are bad, period.. from when there shit i will be the frist person to say it standard.

sand leaper · Post by **sand leaper** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:52 am

Elementalism wrote: Name a tune that Coki has made that sounds similar to Spongebob.

Uh, the tune this thread is about? And there's an untitled one in Skream's EM which sounds near identical to it as well (the one after Flim).

I don't get what you're proposing we listen to at dances? We're at a point in dubstep where you can hear wobble, 80s chillout, 70s soul, reggae, cheesy American reggae, Teedra Moses as well as leftfield shit like 2D, The Vee and Spongebob that no one had thought of doing before.

Either you're saying that we need to hear more of what you'd call 'the old Coki' or you're saying that he isn't evolving quick enough.

I'm getting bored of chin scratchers wearing Dubstep t-shirts standing around dances looking miserable. The scene is heading in directions that no-one could have foreseen a year ago, if you ain't feeling a tune go to the bar and chat to a girl, don't leave the rave, go home and rant on the internet.

I ain't dissing anyone and I'm all for free speech, but you can't deny that tunes like Spongebob do things to dances.

You're missing my entire point. I never said that the sound itself is a problem. I don't have anything against a tune like Spongebob in itself. I don't have a problem with people making dancefloor bangers. I like a good drop as much as anyone else.

What I do have a problem with is people playing it safe by employing the same tried and tested formula instead of trying out new things, as this ultimately leads to hearing the same drops and basslines all night.

Whenever people speak of dubstep, they always emphasize how dubstep is so great cos you can't really define it, and how you'll always hear something different. So why would a guy like Coki, who is in a better position than anyone to make use of this and experiment (and has done so in the past), start conforming his sound to the punters on the dancefloor?

edit: And seriously, certain people on here need to chill. You come like I've just personally insulted one of your friends.

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:55 am

I'm sure coki will understand people not feeling the tracks, its not like anyones said hes not a "badman" or a real part of Dubstep or they dont like him as a producer or person.

Its like this when someone expresses dislike with a skream track aswell, its not a personal attack jut a discussion. (Normally)

dj jsl · Post by **dj jsl** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:04 am

Actually I wouldn't want to be a part of this discussion but couldn't help it, but I'll do it really short anyway.

Sand Leaper wrote:So why would a guy like Coki, who is in a better position than anyone to make use of this and experiment (and has done so in the past), start conforming his sound to the punters on the dancefloor?

You are talking about 2 (TWO!) tunes which haven't even come out as testpresses yet!

Seriously, mate. You need to go outside and get a bit of fresh air...
(not ment disrespectful!):D

one,
JSL

sand leaper · Post by **sand leaper** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:39 am

DJ JSL wrote: You are talking about 2 (TWO!) tunes which haven't even come out as testpresses yet!

Seriously, mate. You need to go outside and get a bit of fresh air...
(not ment disrespectful!):D

Don't be daft. Do you think I would have argued this point if Spongebob and this tune were the only ones it applied to thus far?

dj jsl · Post by **dj jsl** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:45 am

Sand Leaper wrote:
DJ JSL wrote: You are talking about 2 (TWO!) tunes which haven't even come out as testpresses yet!

Seriously, mate. You need to go outside and get a bit of fresh air...
(not ment disrespectful!):D
Don't be daft. Do you think I would have argued this point if Spongebob and this tune were the only ones it applied to thus far?

I just can't follow you. That's all... But you're of course entitled to your own opinion anytime, so it's all good...

JSL

chef · Post by **chef** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:45 am

Sand Leaper wrote:
Elementalism wrote: Coki's hype is at its largest because he's been putting out consistently decent tunes. How can you say his tunes are at their most repetitive? Unless you're looking over his shoulder at his computer screen, you can't make a statement like that off the basis of two tunes.
That the tunes are "consistently decent" is your opinion.

The point is, it is only now that he's followed the formula he established for about a year ("Beep" and "Earth A Run Red", for instance, are near identical) and consistently fed the dancefloor the "bangers" it wants that his hype has gone up. And frankly, that is quite ironic for a scene that places so much importance on versatility.

Don't get me wrong, I think Coki has a lot of talent, and combined with Mala they make some of the most exciting music around. But this is also why it is all the more frustrating that he keeps taking the safe way out these days.

What are you talking about taking the safe way out these day?? If he was taking the safe way out he wouldn't have made Spongebob or Roadrage. There's only a few tunes here on the same type of vibe and if you can't hear the difference then your a mug, Coki's easily one of the most versatile out there.

Why don't you stop tapping keys on your keyboard typing crap and do something constructive and buy yourself a midi keyboard and start hitting them and making tunes because obviously your the man.

Bottomline is Roadrage and Sponebob are big tunes!!

duck · Post by **duck** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:58 am

are people seriously cussing Spongebob?

<shakes>

djslate · Post by **djslate** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:22 pm

I have to disagree with you Sand Leaper, I don't think Coki is 'playing it safe' and there aren't that many tunes that sound like the distorted badness which he is doing at the minute.

Once true saturation of this style really becomes evident you may have a point. Not now however. Although it is your opinion, so I repsect it, but wholeheartedly disagree.

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:43 pm

tha_illsta · Post by **tha_illsta** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:51 pm

Sand Leaper wrote:You come like I've just personally insulted one of your friends.

You have.

elementalism · Post by **elementalism** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:55 pm

THA ILLSTA wrote:
Sand Leaper wrote:You come like I've just personally insulted one of your friends.
You have.

Lenged down.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:09 pm

my feelings on the matter... he is a guy doing his thing, enjoying making music and making people happy. if you have issue to shout about, then it should be with the people who respond to the stuff you dont feel (and even then its a pretty arrogant issue), cos really he can do what the fuck he wants, he owes you nothing, certainly not to stick to your PERSONAL ideas of what constitutes 'acceptable' innovation (or even degree of). people chatting like he owes them something

opinions are one thing but shouting about them are another imo

*Grand* wrote:Forth, Coki is not only a badman in the dubstep world, he is also a badman in the reggae scene.....

does he produce under a different name?

spender · Post by **spender** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:05 pm

Bloodyhell,

these repeated 'Coki's beats are all the same' threads are really doing my nut in. They've been a pretty regular feature on here since I can remember.

It's not often I feel the urge to post, but for what it's worth,

– Coki's not suddenly getting hyped 'now' because of spongebob -
as far back as I can remember, 'any' Coki beat in the dance was
a guaranteed reload. Still is. The guy's a don.

– As for saying he's not versatile, what? I'd happily have this lot in a mixtape and wouldn't get bored:

Mood dub
All of a sudden
Haunted
One of those Days
Tortured
Thieves in the night
Burnin'
Shattered
MadHead
Earth run a red
Bloodthirst
Redeye
The End
Spongebob
Gangsta for Life
Night

How the f**k can you say there's no progression in his sound?

Anyway I got to agree with Chef on this one. To all the haters, stop typing crap and get outta your bedrooms. And why not get yourself to DMZ on saturday night, and have a word with the man himself? I'm sure he'll welcome all your constructive criticism.

Now wake the fack up.

*grand* · Post by ***grand*** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:17 pm

THA ILLSTA wrote:
Sand Leaper wrote:You come like I've just personally insulted one of your friends.
You have.

you have . was ment to say that earlier..

dutty yuppie · Post by **dutty yuppie** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:29 pm

Is this the same one-style Coki who did the Minnie Ripperton remix?

As for Spongebob, 666 and such other beasts - I wouldn't complain if I heard all of those back to back with rewinds. People will be jumping and having fun and that's the main thing.

tha_illsta · Post by **tha_illsta** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:37 pm

Dutty Yuppie wrote: having fun that's the main thing.

Albeit this forumbiz is all new to me

In my day it was:

go out, dance, get off the nut, catch joke, have fun.

"sorry mate it's not out yet" was the most popular answer to dubplate questions. IF you were lucky.

Trainspotting was confined to the railway.

Some say there was a better atmosphere in those days.

So that's progress for you.

It's all good though, carry on ladies and gents. (inc. me)

dutty yuppie · Post by **dutty yuppie** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:47 pm

Would that be days of poor quality mixtapes with the same tracks on for years that people still LOVED?

I swear the internet can be both a curse and a blessing for music.

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