non djs downloading rip's

[parson]

[incyde]

from another angle though, if theres tunes you're digging that are on vinyl and not available on any other format, just listen to it on a dj mix.

-usually sounds better when mixed anyway (and thats why the tunes are 4-5 minutes long)
-doesnt cost you anything
-supports the djs
-exposes you to other good tunes in the process!

I totally agree incyde, if I hear something that is only released on vinyl I'll download a mix with it on and normally I'll hear about 10 other tunes that I want to get and hence try and hunt down a CD release.

I dont DJ, so I tend to buy as many CD's as I can. It is hard, and I wish labels brought out more stuff on digital format for the non-dj/record collecter.

I really need to buy a turntable...

I completely disagree, by your justification non vinyl buyers should be limited to only listen to the tunes they love in DJ mixes, thats madness. In my opinion labels who only release on vinyl are just being lazy, so i dont blame people for downloading rips at all..

do you mind me asking what cd's u mean? cos theres really not many out that arent mixes..

you read the beginning of what i wrote right?

the amount of filesharing can easily be helped by making the music available through digital purchases. though this is a slow process i think in due time most labels will be offering their catalogues in digital formats.

it's not because they're lazy, it's because it's time consuming, and for MOST LABELS (aside from your own, i'm sure) it's not as important as focusing on vinyl releases/promotion/everything else a label has to deal with, ESPECIALLY because most label owners are doing it out of their limited spare time.

so, whether they choose to or not, going through the process of getting yourself signed up to a digital store becomes just another thing on the list of things to do, and inevitably gets pushed to the bottom of the list, except for the few labels that have made it a high priority to release digitally, such as your own, and respect to you for doing so.

that being said, a label who owns a recording does have the right to choose which format to release it on, and ethically that SHOULD be respected, even though it clearly is not.

most importantly however, i dont see a lot of labels (though there are some) complaining about their music being on P2P networks, so its nothing to worry about, because it's nearly impossible to prevent anyway.

furthermore our suggestion of listening to FREE DJ MIXES and puchased CDs/compilations is a SUGGESTED AND RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE to violating the label's/producer's RIGHTS as owners of their own music.

[fused_forces]

Downloading music for free that is for sale is wrong weather its cd or vinyl, standard.

I agree if wiv "If ya like it buy it"

[bob crunkhouse]

from another angle though, if theres tunes you're digging that are on vinyl and not available on any other format, just listen to it on a dj mix.

-usually sounds better when mixed anyway (and thats why the tunes are 4-5 minutes long)
-doesnt cost you anything
-supports the djs
-exposes you to other good tunes in the process!

I totally agree incyde, if I hear something that is only released on vinyl I'll download a mix with it on and normally I'll hear about 10 other tunes that I want to get and hence try and hunt down a CD release.

I dont DJ, so I tend to buy as many CD's as I can. It is hard, and I wish labels brought out more stuff on digital format for the non-dj/record collecter.

I really need to buy a turntable...

I completely disagree, by your justification non vinyl buyers should be limited to only listen to the tunes they love in DJ mixes, thats madness. In my opinion labels who only release on vinyl are just being lazy, so i dont blame people for downloading rips at all..

do you mind me asking what cd's u mean? cos theres really not many out that arent mixes..

you read the beginning of what i wrote right?

the amount of filesharing can easily be helped by making the music available through digital purchases. though this is a slow process i think in due time most labels will be offering their catalogues in digital formats.

it's not because they're lazy, it's because it's time consuming, and for MOST LABELS (aside from your own, i'm sure) it's not as important as focusing on vinyl releases/promotion/everything else a label has to deal with, ESPECIALLY because most label owners are doing it out of their limited spare time.

so, whether they choose to or not, going through the process of getting yourself signed up to a digital store becomes just another thing on the list of things to do, and inevitably gets pushed to the bottom of the list, except for the few labels that have made it a high priority to release digitally, such as your own, and respect to you for doing so.

that being said, a label who owns a recording does have the right to choose which format to release it on, and ethically that SHOULD be respected, even though it clearly is not.

most importantly however, i dont see a lot of labels (though there are some) complaining about their music being on P2P networks, so its nothing to worry about, because it's nearly impossible to prevent anyway.

furthermore our suggestion of listening to FREE DJ MIXES and puchased CDs/compilations is a SUGGESTED AND RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE to violating the label's/producer's RIGHTS as owners of their own music.

yep, i read that first bit and agreed with it, didnt agree wth either of the bits that are quoted in my post, ok?

I do agree with a lot of what you have said there, maybe laziness is slightly harsh but you thought a lot of the bigger labels would of sorted something out by now if they ever plan to! (btw anyone know what happened to DMZ being on bleep? stopped getting updated ages ago)

that being said, a label who owns a recording does have the right to choose which format to release it on, and ethically that SHOULD be respected, even though it clearly is not.

i do agree with this, but lets face it, its not respected, and its not good for music listeners in general, so its just stupid. I do agree in principal though.

most importantly however, i dont see a lot of labels (though there are some) complaining about their music being on P2P networks, so its nothing to worry about, because it's nearly impossible to prevent anyway.

this is very interesting, be great to hear from the labels on this, can imagine some wouldnt mind, would make this discussion entirely pointless to.

furthermore our suggestion of listening to FREE DJ MIXES and puchased CDs/compilations is a SUGGESTED AND RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE to violating the label's/producer's RIGHTS as owners of their own music.

yeh people could search for a set with the tune in, listen in pretty bad quality, then listen to maybe 2 minutes of the tune clean in the mix, remember where it is in the mix and go back to that whenever they want it, or download a full version for free on soulseek......think your fighting a losing battle there.