thanks for that babagus
ninjadog wrote:Genevieve wrote:ninjadog wrote:DRTY wrote:I don't get it. Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions? surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't percieve without them.
It's more like those drugs remove the filters our brains have acquired over time, and we can see the universe for what it really is.
I still don't believe that. It's too untestable. How do you know that they weren't just replaced with a DIFFERENT filter that you think is more real? I've done some psychedelics in my time and I think what I experienced on them is just as 'real' and 'fake' as what I experience without them.
We're humans, we'll never know what it means to be objective in our perception and judgement.
Your right that we'll never know. But from my personal experience with psycs it enhanced my perception of what might be out there and those memories did not go away once I came down. It's hard to put into words and I don't want to be all cliche saying it opened doors and bullshit like that, but to some degree that's a good explanation. But those memories are just as real and any other memories I have. So it makes it hard to draw a line and say this is real this is not, especially when your view of things that were 100% real or fake come into question after you take a closer look at them from a different mind state.
taking into account that I haven't done hallucinogens for a fair while, so have developed some perspective...
the things that apparently happen & the beings that appear under the influence of hallucinogens
are an experience like any other
they can be real in the sense that they involve physical entities & repercussions
or they can be imaginary as in prophetic or as in delusional.
The accumulation of experiences during life makes most of us better at differentiating these things
so that we can better interact with others to contribute towards a functioning consensus reality
my best description of the brain's function is to use incoming sensory inputs in order to best adjust to what happens next
which may be a psychic adjustment rather than a physical response via decision-making & physical activation
(those events may happen without any causative link to the mind)
I, and possibly you, if you exist, in which case we exist... unless it's me that doesn't exist,
am experiencing what's happening at any given time
and, really, if my mind becomes distracted by trying to judge what's real or not
it can become a misinterperative mania, a blockage to change.
Not that there's anything wrong with that if it happens
but, being pragmatic, perhaps sybaritic,
reality is easier when I relax & let it be.
Which is a hippy ending but I'm getting a bit tired & need a break from consciousness.
