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ninjadog wrote:

DRTY wrote:I don't get it. Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions? surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't percieve without them.

It's more like those drugs remove the filters our brains have acquired over time, and we can see the universe for what it really is.

There was a study, I wish I could find it for your reference, on magic mushrooms ie psilocybin. Double blind and all that, some were given small doses some were not some were told they but were not yadda yadda.

The test was reaction time. Reacting to a change in environment by hitting a button.

The result was clear. Those that were actually given a dose reacted as a group measurably faster than those not given a dose or those given a sugar pill.

Therefore those dosed with psilocybin were more aware of the "real" world than those who were not.

So yes "removing filters" is probably the best way to describe it.

More sensitivity =/= more awareness

sd5 wrote:I'd love to fully understand your post
so p.b.u.i.?
blood chokes?
BJJ?
Everything else inkles but I'd like clarity on the above to dig fully.
Like please. Deliberate with-holding of important insight is uncool, yeah?

C'mon, is wasn't incoherent at all!

p.b.u.i. = peace be upon it (the sacred spirit molecule)

vast grid chattin bullshit

the sacred spirit molecule loool no, just so happens that the molecule is a fit for some receptors in our brain that bring about changes to our brain chemicals and alter our perception.

DRTY wrote:I think that's just your personal interpretation of the experience though, not what's 'actually happening'.

Agreed, just as you thinking ^ is your version of what's "actually happening".
Without consensus on this & respect for each others' experience of reality, what's the point of trying to communicate eh?

wrote:(I'm not trying to poo poo your fun btw, just trying to understand it a little).

Of course & thanks.

Genevieve wrote:Why is humbleness about your sober state of mind encouraged, but not about your mind on psychedelics?

I don't know.
Modesty & humility are desirable self-restraints within a social setting
whereas psychedelics are an individualistic pursuit.
Subsequent descriptions of their effects aren't subject to the usual conventions
unless there's an attempt at being scientific or analytical.
The enthusiasm of psychonauts isn't limited to drug-takers though;
learning anything new about the world or having a meditative revelation
can be energizing & overwhelm the usual supression of celebrating
the joys of being oneself.
Perhaps.

Vast-Grid wrote:

sd5 wrote:I'd love to fully understand your post
so p.b.u.i.?
blood chokes?
BJJ?

C'mon, is wasn't incoherent at all!

p.b.u.i. = peace be upon it (the sacred spirit molecule)

OK & the others?
I wasn't implying that you aren't coherent but your coherence isn't available to me if I don't understand its terminology.

Mason wrote:vast grid chattin bullshit

the sacred spirit molecule loool no, just so happens that the molecule is a fit for some receptors in our brain that bring about changes to our brain chemicals and alter our perception.

have U ever tried it? anything psychedelic?

anyways cuz, lets FTP .

sd5 wrote:

Vast-Grid wrote:

sd5 wrote:I'd love to fully understand your post
so p.b.u.i.?
blood chokes?
BJJ?

C'mon, is wasn't incoherent at all!

p.b.u.i. = peace be upon it (the sacred spirit molecule)

OK & the others?
I wasn't implying that you aren't coherent but your coherence isn't available to me if I don't understand its terminology.

different vibes....... I was with that Green Crack Mang.

bjj is brazilian jiu jitsu which has chokes that cut off blood rendering the victim unconscious

Vast-Grid wrote:

Mason wrote:vast grid chattin bullshit

the sacred spirit molecule loool no, just so happens that the molecule is a fit for some receptors in our brain that bring about changes to our brain chemicals and alter our perception.

have U ever tried it? anything psychedelic?

anyways cuz, lets FTP .

I've done mushrooms and mescaline quite a few times and had some pretty strange times on k and i've seen what at the time i thought were 'beings of other levels' but as soon as i sobered up i realised what nonsense i was thinking.

you sound like a hippy so not much point discussing this any further with you, enjoy your hemp garments and enlightenment

the ego is hardwired. mushrooms pull the plug

Mason wrote:

Vast-Grid wrote:

Mason wrote:vast grid chattin bullshit

the sacred spirit molecule loool no, just so happens that the molecule is a fit for some receptors in our brain that bring about changes to our brain chemicals and alter our perception.

have U ever tried it? anything psychedelic?

anyways cuz, lets FTP .

I've done mushrooms and mescaline quite a few times and had some pretty strange times on k and i've seen what at the time i thought were 'beings of other levels' but as soon as i sobered up i realised what nonsense i was thinking.

you sound like a hippy so not much point discussing this any further with you, enjoy your hemp garments and enlightenment

Still ain't shit compared DMT.

LOL, I'ma N!gga foo.

bABGzus wrote:bjj is brazilian jiu jitsu which has chokes that cut off blood rendering the victim unconscious

Bossman martial art, shame I still suck at it

thanks for that babagus

ninjadog wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

ninjadog wrote:

DRTY wrote:I don't get it. Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions? surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't percieve without them.

It's more like those drugs remove the filters our brains have acquired over time, and we can see the universe for what it really is.

I still don't believe that. It's too untestable. How do you know that they weren't just replaced with a DIFFERENT filter that you think is more real? I've done some psychedelics in my time and I think what I experienced on them is just as 'real' and 'fake' as what I experience without them.

We're humans, we'll never know what it means to be objective in our perception and judgement.

Your right that we'll never know. But from my personal experience with psycs it enhanced my perception of what might be out there and those memories did not go away once I came down. It's hard to put into words and I don't want to be all cliche saying it opened doors and bullshit like that, but to some degree that's a good explanation. But those memories are just as real and any other memories I have. So it makes it hard to draw a line and say this is real this is not, especially when your view of things that were 100% real or fake come into question after you take a closer look at them from a different mind state.

taking into account that I haven't done hallucinogens for a fair while, so have developed some perspective...

the things that apparently happen & the beings that appear under the influence of hallucinogens
are an experience like any other
they can be real in the sense that they involve physical entities & repercussions
or they can be imaginary as in prophetic or as in delusional.

The accumulation of experiences during life makes most of us better at differentiating these things
so that we can better interact with others to contribute towards a functioning consensus reality

my best description of the brain's function is to use incoming sensory inputs in order to best adjust to what happens next
which may be a psychic adjustment rather than a physical response via decision-making & physical activation
(those events may happen without any causative link to the mind)

I, and possibly you, if you exist, in which case we exist... unless it's me that doesn't exist,
am experiencing what's happening at any given time
and, really, if my mind becomes distracted by trying to judge what's real or not
it can become a misinterperative mania, a blockage to change.
Not that there's anything wrong with that if it happens
but, being pragmatic, perhaps sybaritic,
reality is easier when I relax & let it be.

Which is a hippy ending but I'm getting a bit tired & need a break from consciousness.

I remember seeing these human type things, they came after the elves and they were mocking me, mimicking ironing for some reason.. I think they were laughing at how wrong we are with how to live.