Ferguson riots

[DrGatineau]

Cop's story:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-airs-off ... en-wilson/

I call fuckin bullshit. You can just see how they are going to frame this story. They released the toxicology report saying Brown had marijuana in his system, and they're going to act like he was going crazy on drugs. Everyone knows weed causes you to be anxious, not aggressive like that when you're high, and the toxicology report didn't say he was high, it just said he had it in his system, ie he could have smoked it in like what, the past 30 days?

The captain guy even stated that the cop that shot Brown didn't know anything about the robbery at the time.

And what about all the witnesses saying he was first shot in the back while running away, and then shot with his hands up in the air? Also I believe the autopsy confirmed that one shot was fired into his back, which makes no sense if Brown was charging towards the cop.

I can't fucking stand American police/military/propensity towards violence right now.

[bennyfroobs]

the toxicology report said brown had no drugs in his system, no?...

[Shum]

There was a good summary of the story thus far in today's NY Times. Terribly sad business.

[CreamLord]

Shits dark

[nowaysj]

Cop's story:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-airs-off ... en-wilson/

I call fuckin bullshit. You can just see how they are going to frame this story.

And where would your thoughts go if this was revealed to be accurate by video footage?

[bennyfroobs]

lol


honestly man do u think that load of bullshit is true?

did any of that sound legit to you?

[bennyfroobs]

[bennyfroobs]

[bennyfroobs]

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/08/18/dr ... sive-force

[nowaysj]

Yeah, it is pretty consistent with the facts that I'm aware of. It is also consistent with my personal experience. I understand you have a compassionate heart, but that open compassion is allowing you to be played benny, and jags, and it is not for your benefit.



Why are you not outraged by this guy's death?



Father of a 19 month old son, unarmed, shot by the police two days after MB's death? You can't be outraged because you're not aware of it. Why are you not aware of it? Why are you aware of Michael Brown, and not Andrew Gaynier? Because your outrage is manufactured.



If you are going to rely on the media to understand your world, try at least to consume noncorporate/nonfacsist media, with a diversity of perspectives. BBC, NY Times, please, they've both fabricated stories and been caught at it, they both urged the necessity for war with Iraq to prevent another 9/11. Why do you reject them when they call for war, but accept them when they tell you an innocent black baby boy was killed by an evil white police officer?

[bennyfroobs]

ive never heard of that guy probably because i dont watch or read much american news



spend 3 minutes looking at articles and you can already see massive bias in both of these cases

michael brown case, images from news reports are all dingy and make him look a bit thuggy

andrew gaynier, images of him holding a kid and smiling

come on man.....




bbc is full of shit, and ive never read the ny times. that video from fox was like first on google, i was looking for the video, not fox

those arent where i get my information, and you should know me better than to assume i would rely solely on a minescule selection of corrupt sources ;d

[nowaysj]

Where'd that video go Benny?

Disappeared...

Here is the transcript from about 6:28:

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

Noise

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

Noise

#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

Noise

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

Evidence of Michael Brown's shooting is being removed. The DOJ urged the PD to withhold video of Michael Brown's strong arm robbery...

[bennyfroobs]

http://www.vox.com/cards/mike-brown-pro ... ts-details

[bennyfroobs]

weird, dno where its gone

the guy who uploaded it said he was sick of the racist comments so maye thats why



thing is, u can interpret the peoples comments in any way

u dont know how he was running, etc etc

[nowaysj]

spend 3 minutes looking at articles and you can already see massive bias in both of these cases

michael brown case, images from news reports are all dingy and make him look a bit thuggy

andrew gaynier, images of him holding a kid and smiling

come on man.....

No I get you. The police/media went out and photoshopped photos of Michael Brown to make him look thuggy, photoshopped him throwing up "blood" signs, and then photoshopped Gaynier with his little baby.

Too much Benny.

[DrGatineau]

@NWJ if video evidence proves the story is true then that's that. no arguing with video evidence unless it's manufactured obviously.

I've advocated the Young Turks for news, but SNH thinks they're ghey. They are the definition of non-corporate. I also use Comedy Central (Stewart/Colbert) & HBO (Maher/Oliver), which are probably the least corporately influenced networks on television.

I think any unarmed person killed by a police officer is an outrage. Unfortunately there are so many shootings everyday that a network like the Young Turks, which is pretty much the only non-corporate one I know of, can't cover them all. They also cover spend a lot of time meta-newsing as opposed to original reporting. But as I've always asked you, please name a better media outlet.

I don't see why the corporate media would want people to be outraged about Michael Brown specifically over that Gaynier dude. I think their bias is towards laziness and sensationalism, not a manufactured conspiracy. The big story is in Ferguson because there's riots, etc.

As far as the DOJ thing, I think they asked for it to be withheld because they either know (or thought) that it was irrelevant because even the police chief said that the shooter wasn't aware of the "strongarm" (another piece of propaganda) robbery, and they didn't want it's release to inject bias into the case or further escalate tensions and cause accusations of character assassination.

[DrGatineau]

Coincidentally, the cop that killed Gaynier is using the same "charging at me" defense as the one who killed Brown. I'd bet Ferguson police are taking cues from Dallis. http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08 ... ting.html/

[OGLemon]

Just another example of class struggle. These type of cases are so repetitious that they have become nauseating to me.

[nowaysj]

@NWJ if video evidence proves the story is true then that's that. no arguing with video evidence unless it's manufactured obviously.

We'll see.

I've advocated the Young Turks for news

Dude, I'd literally watch FOX news before YT for the news. And I'd use a claw hammer on my face before I'd watch FOX news.

I think any unarmed person killed by a police officer is an outrage.

I'm good with many, and even approaching most, but won't go anywhere near any. I think you're totally in the bubble if you haven't known of people that NEED to be shot. There are a lot of people out there that need to be shot. Fucking horrible, but that is the way it is.

But as I've always asked you, please name a better media outlet.

Mike TV, I'm an internet dude. I'm a meta-newser, and I don't ever really rely on the same source, I float. I listen to what people are talking about, and I take my path through that. But it's clear this is Trayvon 2.0, with many of the same figures, same forces pushing the same agenda.

I don't see why the corporate media would want people to be outraged about Michael Brown specifically over that Gaynier dude.

Think on it.

As far as the DOJ thing, I think they asked for it to be withheld because they either know (or thought) that it was irrelevant because even the police chief said that the shooter wasn't aware of the "strongarm" (another piece of propaganda) robbery, and they didn't want it's release to inject bias into the case or further escalate tensions and cause accusations of character assassination.

So much here...

Irrelevant... come on dude. This goes to MB's character directly, this goes to his state of mind when this incident occurred. It suggests a pattern of behavior, a type of behavior, the type of person he was, his likely response when dealing with the police. The officer was unaware of the robbery, THAT is largely irrelevant, it is likely that Michael Brown was aware of the robbery, (and note, it has not been 100% proven that that is MB in that video choking that little dude) and directly suggests why MB responded in the way that he did.

Strongarm is a legal term, it is a type of robbery, with special evidentiary requirements, and sentencing implications in most jurisdictions... And he literally did use his strong arm

Escalate tensions, by showing that MB was the likely aggressor... yeah, I can't go with you there.

The DOJ's behavior in Trayvon 1.0 was despicable, and we'll see what lessons they learned from that. Increase the dispicability? Smarter more effective tactics of manipulation, or don't whack the bee hive because the truth will come out, we'll see.

And I'm gonna footnote this with the assertion that amongst the snh crew, I, more than anyone else, am aware of the extent of police malfeasance. I have received awards for my understanding of constitutional law and its implication on criminal law, I follow news stories from all over the country, have considered starting the police execution thread here on the snh, showing our friends from around the world the extent of the brutality that is being brought to bear on the American people. I've been on the receiving end of police abuse a few times, and I've been aware of police abuse my whole life, first experiencing it in a small town in NJ.

I'm not flexing, not fronting, I'm totally serious about these issues because they're being used as part of a coordinated effort in this country. Very serious things can come from this if we allow ourselves to be manipulated and further divided by these events. I think I know how this sounds to a young person, in the party bubble at university, but you've been born into quite a generation, and things are soon going to get crazy beyond your ability to conceive. Living in the truth, the best as you can is going to serve you better than anything else in the future. I'm pleading with you to engage the truth, and not your desires.

[OGLemon]

I don't see why the corporate media would want people to be outraged about Michael Brown specifically over that Gaynier dude.

To further divide blacks and whites, especially among the working class. As long as labour in the U.S. remains divided, the capitalist will continue to rake in more and more profits. The State knows this and in order to protect their self-interest they must subvert the self-interest of the exploited. Mind Control 101.