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thesynthesist wrote:

Red Shrapnel wrote:lol didnt think this would get any responses, but I'm in 4 philosophy courses right now so philosophical debate of god and religion is all i hear everyday, i guess a better question would have been something like does the word "jah" hold any relevance in dubstep to the majority of producers or does it just sound cool? maybe its just my over analytical philosophical issues with christianity

vibe

noun
a distinctive emotional aura experienced instinctively

Jah is of key importance to this scene, whether producers take heed or not.

Some of us, many of the producers among us im sure, have studied Reggae, Dub, Jamaican culture, the lives of notable Jamaican citizens and of course, Rastafarianism.

You dont have to agree with all of the tenants of any religion, to see and understand the importance of certain portions of it.

In the Rastafari religion, music is ESSENTIAL to attaining contact and conversation with a higher power. I dont care who you are, but if you are a musician, you understand the universal truth in this.

Also, the practice of smoking herb to bring you closer to the earth and a higher power is also of key importance. They despise alcohol, especially the rum, which they see as a true destroyer of the jamaican people. Clearly, they arent crazy.

Jamaica, the Jamaican people, and the Jamaican history are all vitally attached to Dubstep and this scene, its an indestructible fusion.

I disagree. The producer still needs to be able to have individual integrity.

If the jah samples have some personal significance to that person then fair enough but but if they are being added just to make a track sound 'like dubstep' then they're being fake.

There are so many sounds in the world, why use samples with connotations to a religion that you don't subscribe to when you could use something else that does relate.

EDIT: Nice thread by the way red schrapnel. Thanks for the clarification. Vibe fronting had me wondering too...

The only way weed makes me closer to the earth is by partially transforming my brain into a potato.

I don't believe in God but I do believe in the power of spiritual aspiration in influencing artistic works.

Corpsey wrote:The only way weed makes me closer to the earth is by partially transforming my brain into a potato.

I don't believe in God but I do believe in the power of spiritual aspiration in influencing artistic works.

all about rootvegstep

Praise ye carrot

Dutty Yuppie wrote:I was reading this week how Haile Selassie found it embarrassing that he was worshipped in Jamaica.

I read that when he flew to Jamica a massive crowd stormed the runway to gaze upon their "meesiah". Haile Selassie stepped off the plane, took a look around and went straight back onto it and wept , as he was not aware he had so many followers.

The source of this info can be found in

Jeff Chang's "Can't stop Won't Stop: A History of the Hip Hop Generation"

Corpsey wrote:The only way weed makes me closer to the earth is by partially transforming my brain into a potato

thats why i quit smoking herb

music - the unviverse - "god"

Go on Chunkie!
That book is Fricking heavy! Nada brahma brother!
"What do you hear when you block out all sense and sound?"

Scarecrow wrote:Go on Chunkie!
That book is Fricking heavy! Nada brahma brother!
"What do you hear when you block out all sense and sound?"

Scarecrow wrote: "What do you hear when you block out all sense and sound?"

Tinnitus.

wait a minute the question was about like dubstep tracks that have reggae vibes from samples, dubstep isnt even rooted off of reggae or jamaica
AMIRITE?
So to say theres some infusion of dubstep and Jamaican culture is way off basis

good topic, because there is a lot of hypocrisy going on. just kidding, but a lot of people make there music sound very religious (when they actually don't give a f...).

check all the rastafari bla bla bla samples in many any jungle or a lot of dubstep tunes.

but to their defense, i can only say..... they sound good.

patois (jamaican dialect) sounds good. it has a nice earthy and rough touch to it. take any soundclash and cut out some gibberish from that, place it over a beat with some delay, it creates a nice vibe (even though one can't even understand a word, but guesses that it has something to do with burying soundbwoys haha!).

anyway.... for me, personally (and as a long reggae and dancehall fan), patois just sounds good in my ears (except a lot of the homophobic and sexist chat, but that's a waaayy different topic and too complex for now).

a sizzla "JAAAAAAHHHHHHH" is just filled with pure energy and sits perfectly on a deep beat and bass. i personally don't believe in any religion, but somehow this energy in the voice reaches out to me in a very musical way. that's all i can say...although i try to avoid all this rastafari talk samples, because jah (god) is still a very general statement and can be understood universally, but rastafari is a very specific religion, which i really understand and support.

thesynthesist wrote:

Red Shrapnel wrote:lol didnt think this would get any responses, but I'm in 4 philosophy courses right now so philosophical debate of god and religion is all i hear everyday, i guess a better question would have been something like does the word "jah" hold any relevance in dubstep to the majority of producers or does it just sound cool? maybe its just my over analytical philosophical issues with christianity

vibe

noun
a distinctive emotional aura experienced instinctively

Jah is of key importance to this scene, whether producers take heed or not.

Some of us, many of the producers among us im sure, have studied Reggae, Dub, Jamaican culture, the lives of notable Jamaican citizens and of course, Rastafarianism.

You dont have to agree with all of the tenants of any religion, to see and understand the importance of certain portions of it.

In the Rastafari religion, music is ESSENTIAL to attaining contact and conversation with a higher power. I dont care who you are, but if you are a musician, you understand the universal truth in this.

Also, the practice of smoking herb to bring you closer to the earth and a higher power is also of key importance. They despise alcohol, especially the rum, which they see as a true destroyer of the jamaican people. Clearly, they arent crazy.

Jamaica, the Jamaican people, and the Jamaican history are all vitally attached to Dubstep and this scene, its an indestructible fusion.

knackers

Hmm,..I enjoy Carribean music to the fullest, have a few rasta-type friends, and smoke daily, but I never front like I am like that. I'm just a regular dude.

wow, this is one thick bunch.

I wasnt saying that just because some schmuck uses a sample of the word "jah" that means he has some kind of spiritual attachment to rastafarianism or even his own ass.

The question was a philosophical one, about whether the word means anything. The study, and general understanding and interest in the topic of Jamaica and Rasta, doesnt make you a poser. Going about saying you are a Rasta, then sipping Rum and being a general ass would.

You asked if the word had any relevance to the music or producers.

"dubstep isnt even rooted off of reggae or jamaica "

Thats just absurd.

is there a word you can use which would just end a thread like say 'onion'????


onion

dubstep-->dub--> form of reggae-->reggage -.> form of music with jamaican origin. Jamaica's key religion--> Christianity...often people have the misconception all jamaicans are rasta's.

despite this, i think it's fair to say that dubstep,although sharing it's roots with other predominately u.k genres, is synonymous with the Rastafari religion and the term 'Jah'

obviously not all forms of dubstep uses 'jah' samples, but to an extent, i think it's safe to say that alot of the producers that do choose to exploit the proposed 'coolness' of using said samples, are either completely arrogant to the culture and true meanings of phrases such as 'jah' 'rastafari' and 'selassie' or, like i previously stated, they just think it sounds cool.

people seem to forget that all religions are cross-linked and in some aspects,directly reference eachover.

religions to me are kind of like choices. the religion and labeling it'self isnt as important although people in Western societies seem to forget this.

It's all about the moral guidance and proposed integrity of each of the 'holy' sciptures...

let's face it, none of these books are telling anyone to hurt anyone else.

But rather than anaylising segments/verses/prayers/stories/chapters/testemants for themselves, People choose to stereotype and make assumptions based on the regurgitation of someone else's opinion, whether it be biased or not.

little bit offtopic but remember 'God' is a mind state.

Might want to not use the words "synonymous" and "arrogant" if you don't know what they mean.

dTruk wrote: let's face it, none of these books are telling anyone to hurt anyone else.

The bible says that gays should be put to death. And that's just for starters.

ok ok so im no essay writer...you get the jist though. internal conflict much more damaging than external. but in fairness i admit, i dont claim to know the ins and outs of the said topics...clearly.

and not to come off as homophobic but asexual reproduction in the human species is rare to say the least.