too much revivalism? is dance music stagnating?

[Phigure]

Sure, there's always some individuals who produce really unique, fresh music, but that's very different than a whole new scene being born, and the kind of culture and ethos that comes with it

[RKM]

yeah like part of what i was trying to say is that trap is more fun when you approach it as a dance genre, like grime bars for hype not trying to spread consciousness

[thekuku]

I really like the Janus crew, Amnesia Scanner, Massacooramaan, Jacques Gaspard Biberkopf, Warp bigging up ****** Fox, igqomu (EP on Goon Club incoming) and the whole trend of playing 80-100 BPM DJ Mustard beats mixed with dancehall and what not. This mix is really good

Soundcloud

[ultraspatial]

i'd say shit music journalism shares some part of the blame. if you read any review it's like "it sounds like x or y or w/e" , like no original content is created anymore. everything is judged based on the shit it references. which is a shame imo.
not to mention the sensational nature of journalism; you're bound to get "revivals" every time a new producers comes with a "retro" sound.

you can do retro yet still be fwd. it's just easier to tick boxes and dismiss shit as been done before. seems like the idea of referencing something is really hard to grasp.
that being said, there's loads of bait by the numbers throwback shit atm but fuck that just focus on the good shit.

oh and it's all clickbait. the same could easily be said about other genres, fashion, the art world etc.

[jrkhnds]

thekuku mentioned some good music. Janus crew are at least trying to carve themselves out a community-centric niche of stop-and-go techno aesthetics. I like their shit.

[hubb]

on the other hand it could be said that something like noisey is pretty good journalism

[hubb]

can you point me in the direction of some good current trap. from what ive heard im not too keen but i havent exactly dug deep

terrible and amazing

https://vimeo.com/99696075
Makonnen ^ (not the original mix but not the one with drake either - pretty unique


this is that sound just with a bit of disney+rapevibe smothered all over it, right?

[hubb]

Feel like some of ratkings stuff was sort of similar but with more of a classic ny influence on top -


but that was maybe just a one off and not from a 'scene'..
and probably more about some 'hiphop' producers not being as afraid of 808s and programming anymore -- thanks timbo ! . .

no but seriously, it's more about rap switching tempo than anything . . .
samples are still in effect but the production side has turned back into
something very close to the original electro setup that 'hiphop' came from.

But people like Jazze Pha, beats by the pound and organized confusion (tlc, outkast, ceelo, future) and basically any down south producer have kept that going since the 80's, (meaning at least in a shallow sense that that hiphop was still somewhat connected to dance music/electro in production)..
so it might just be that those producers get to take up a more central role. Some of the time it's very young artist pushed forward by an older producer too.

[ultraspatial]

on the other hand it could be said that something like noisey is pretty good journalism

lol
not really. they're just "ok". rarely have something noteworthy to say. most of the time they claim something is cool 2 years after it happens, pretentious articles on why bait rnb singers are the best thing to happen to music and making shitty documentaries

[mIrReN]

imho all of trap has stupid as fuck lyrics and to me it would be enjoyable if all those ppl who think they have smthing to talk about would just stfu and let the beat do his work
so many good beats ruined

edit; @ RKMs point, theyre not hyping me up, not in the slightest, theyre hyping me up to stay away
edit2; the worse are those trying to sing or whatever it is u just can't ignore it to listen to the beat

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

loving the hip hop posted in here for the most part.

[hubb]

on the other hand it could be said that something like noisey is pretty good journalism

lol
not really. they're just "ok". rarely have something noteworthy to say. most of the time they claim something is cool 2 years after it happens, pretentious articles on why bait rnb singers are the best thing to happen to music and making shitty documentaries

2 kool 4 skool

[hubb]

imho all of trap has stupid as fuck lyrics and to me it would be enjoyable if all those ppl who think they have smthing to talk about would just stfu and let the beat do his work
so many good beats ruined

edit; @ RKMs point, theyre not hyping me up, not in the slightest, theyre hyping me up to stay away
edit2; the worse are those trying to sing or whatever it is u just can't ignore it to listen to the beat

lil b has amazing lyrics - like how someone like andy kaufmann was funny

imo he's akward but so was bob dylan or woody allen

They are lucky to be mentioned in this context though

the bit about singing is just you being concervative tbh. autotune opened up a whole new world of expression - - - - you're the 80s guitar guy being uncomfortable with those damn new fake ass keyboards

also it took all of that to get away from 'lyricism' and 'mcing' . lyricism has been holding raplyrics back for a long time - which sounds weird - but it's just how it went. most rappers became less focused on the mc part, but that meant they could rap in more of a conversational style - - which makes it a bit more relatable and down to earth and local. which all goes in hand with globalisation etc

to be honest jay z 'survived' artistically because he began stealing from young guys and focusing on rap, whereas someone like nas kept his old school mc approach - - thats obviously very broad strokes but theres something about it.

[mIrReN]

it's just so weird + whats even weirder is I seem to like all the overtly bait (lyricalwise) ones (maybe because I can ignore it but I seem to find myself enjoying it from time to time[lyrics])
:
the only other bait lyric music I enjoy is hardcore (in all it forms/aspects) tbf ,, really makes me wonder

but man the singiing, don't make excuses for that pls hahahaha

[thekuku]

Slightly offtopic - I noticed Kuedo reposting Biberkopf, following Sharp Veins, TCF, Yearning Kru, M.E.S.H., Fis... Which might mean he won't fade into obscurity after Severant but is actually working on some really good stuff right now. Wish him all the best.

https://soundcloud.com/kuedo/following

[AxeD]

If hip hop and trap count, this does to



Not that trap counts.

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

^sick

[hubb]

Slightly offtopic - I noticed Kuedo reposting Biberkopf, following Sharp Veins, TCF, Yearning Kru, M.E.S.H., Fis... Which might mean he won't fade into obscurity after Severant but is actually working on some really good stuff right now. Wish him all the best.

https://soundcloud.com/kuedo/following

He has this company with a mate of mine where they do scores for commercials, films and stuff like that.

But I'm fairly certain he's been working on an album since the one on mu.
Wouldn't worry.

[mason666]

all music journalism is shit

[_ronzlo_]

Something else to consider here: the physical spaces that used to be key to helping new sounds emerge - sound systems of various kinds. Social spaces... Parties.

This stuff used to evolve in little vacuums, mature, and then get discovered by the world more or less fully formed. The internet definitely disrupts that process now, skews things towards earbuds and private listening more than going out and hearing something on a big system. The nostalgia could be interpreted as an attempt to recapture some of that social magic ("hey, remember when we used to party to this kind of stuff?") without realizing that the vibe is more than the sum of its parts. It's about the function of the music as much as the sound.

Trap actually does have physical spaces it's associated with still; strip clubs and cars.