Any tips on making Dubcore?

nick z · Post by **nick z** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:52 pm

ohmwerk wrote:
sollabong wrote:dubcore?!?!?!?
sounds crazy... how can you name a lazy and slow music core?
funny...
maybe industrial step
i think "core" is about to going crazy, going faster, harder(scooter )
hmm...dubstep at 180bpm?
"Hardcore/Core" is not a style but a treatment... a color of sound.

manray wrote:fuck all this techno bullshit.
Dubstep is Techno Music.
Drum'n'Bass is Techno Music.
Electronica is Techno Music.
BigBeat is Techno Music

The Neo-Rave Has Begun

Your knowledge of music is poor. Z

serox · Post by **serox** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:24 pm

Dubcore sounds retarded, I hope it doesnt catch on with emo types.

Would be better off just calling it a Hard Dubstep/Techstep...

ohmwerk · Post by **ohmwerk** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:31 pm

Nick Z wrote:
Your knowledge of music is poor. Z

Ahah ... no, you don't understand my opinion. sorry, my English is bad, I can't argue

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:14 pm

Would be better off just calling it a Hard Dubstep/Techstep...

Surely the heavier/minimal tracks by Coki, Caspa and DJ Orien define the hard dubstep/ techstep style of dubstep??

Dubcore to me is like the hardest most twisted sound of dubstep, not faster, but more distorted and fucked...!

ohmwerk · Post by **ohmwerk** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:16 pm

Serox wrote:Quite liked the work done by ""WWW.MYSPACE.COM/OHMWERK".

I wouldtn call it Techno either btw.

Thanks!

I just call it Electronic Music or possibly Bass Music.

Electronic Music = Electro, Jungle, Acid, Techno, Dubstep, DnB etc...
It's the same music.

If we think "Techno is Techno", "Dubstep is Dubstep", "Hip Hop is Hip Hop", "Rock is Rock" etc... The music running in circles. Without evolution.

"Dubstep", "Neurofunk", "Raggacore" etc... it's just a label... label limiting the creativity of a musician.

I prefer to say : "I'm a techno-maker". It's less restrictive.

phazeman · Post by **phazeman** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:41 pm

Out to all the massive that dont know what they are talking about but are very quick to put in their 1p's worth!

Big up Ohmwerk..out to Futures untold!! Keep it sick!

Big up the raters....Fuck the haters!!

monobajo · Post by **monobajo** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:08 pm

@ the begining of this thread you mentioned Slaughter Mob. I always considered their stuff breakstep. Closer to breaks than dubstep. I am no expert but I have been buying and listening to dubstep for the past year. Breakstep? Toasty Boy and such. Am I off? Is breakstep a catagory?

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:15 pm

Personally, I don't know, but I think by your decree it now officially is!

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:10 am

monobajo wrote:@ the begining of this thread you mentioned Slaughter Mob. I always considered their stuff breakstep. Closer to breaks than dubstep. I am no expert but I have been buying and listening to dubstep for the past year. Breakstep? Toasty Boy and such. Am I off? Is breakstep a catagory?

more subcategorization!

GAH!

serox · Post by **serox** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:57 am

futures_untold wrote:
Surely the heavier/minimal tracks by Coki, Caspa and DJ Orien define the hard dubstep/ techstep style of dubstep??

It is those artists that have got me intersted in Dubstep (from Techno). A lot of the sounds and patterns can be found in Techno. I would hate to see Dubstep split into loads of different sub-categories at such an early stage.

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:38 am

I guess catagorizing music is harmful when it gets really really anal lol.. (like me I guess>>

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But its fair to say that some rough discriptive terms are useful... (Like in the sciences perhaps...?)

For instance, I love 90's gangsta rap, but can't stand old skool hip hop (from the 80ies)... Clearly they are very different in both style and content.. Sugar Hill Gang vs Wu Tang.. vs Ma$e

Similarly in dubstep: Skream - Midnight Request Line vs Whiteboi - Arise. Both are "dubstep", but as they sound nothing alike, it is surely useful to use labels?

Personally it does my head in when people think electronic music = techno etc.. Or worse (to me anyway) Jungle = D'n'B

(Although can someone explain the difference to me between house and techno

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I guess catagorizing is also a way for me to personally identify what styles I like and dislike... For me it is important as a facet of my identity to name and catagorise things to which I have some connection. Distorted basslines is one such area, and only identifying slowish bass heavy music as "dubstep" doesn't really clarify to others my exact interests or passions.

I guess what it boils down to, is this, I'm only really interested in the neo-emo side of minimal-jump-up, neurotechliquidcore

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I guess I can understand why people may be slightly resistant to catagorization and sub divisions within the genre...

I met a sick hip hop mc once, I heard him freestyle and his skills were sick... So I was like.. yo! let me give you some of my hip hop tracks to lace... He was cool with that, so I dropped off a cd full of instrumentals for him..

About two weeks later we spoke again.. I was interested to hear whether he had written any barz to my tracks. simply put, he hadn't.

He was a devout hip hop head, but he only liked a certain style within hip hop.. That put me off working with him... Especially as I didn't really know how to produce the style he was after and he wasn't willing to explore other styles within the genre..

Seeing as dubstep is a new sound, I guess people are still happy being part of a smallish underground community where everyone knows each other.. But unlike hip hop or dnb which have had several decades to mature - dubstep is on a hyper-accellerated path to maturity...

I suggest perhaps this is due in large to the ease with which we can communicate with one another (internet + mobile phones), and also share new material with one another, again online using Myspace/Youtube/forums etc...

Heck, even cheap flights make traveling to other places a reality for average peeps like me. Face it, even since we were kids the pace of life has accelerated and become more hectic.. We know other peoples business sometimes before they know it themselves lol

Anyway.. Hopefully I'm not coming across like an up tight punk..!! I have no interest being factional, I just like distorted bass music (fast or slow)

peace

sollabong · Post by **sollabong** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:41 am

futures_untold wrote:
dubcore?!?!?!?
sounds crazy... how can you name a lazy and slow music core?
funny...
maybe industrial step
i think "core" is about to going crazy, going faster, harder(scooter)
hmm...dubstep at 180bpm?

So I guess this slow and lazy music is called dubcore, simply because it remains rooted in dubstep but has an emphasis on hard and twisted sounds?!

ok you are right.. but i think DUBSTEP is a melting pot, so it has lots of taste from other styles(what is cool i think), its not a BASIC!

but i think the name "dubcore" is ridiculous! its dark dubstep or i dunno!
why the fuck we have to make substyles? its dubstep! DOT

serox · Post by **serox** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:01 pm

I agree you need some sub-cats. My Coki records dont seem to have that much Dub in them. I thought it sounded more 'Tech-Step'

I think the genre is still very new but people need to explore more. I have witnessed a few people try smack others down cos they are making something that is a bit different.

futures_untold wrote:(Although can someone explain the difference to me between house and techno )

In basic terms:
House has a tempo range of between 118 and 135 bpm. Techno is above that uses harder percussion/noises etc.

opti · Post by **opti** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:14 pm

Dub is not a genre
Dub is a process

Dubcore is a nice concept (and a nice track u homie)

Think about it, King or Scientist were punks. They just have been irreverencious and broke their local pop music into pieces (yes reggae was pop music for jamaican peeps circa 60s/70s), inventing a unique way to use effects as instruments. Thus they gave us exemples of mental composition, giving the impulsion to future looping electronic genres

dubstep is techno indeed
a child of techno that became aware of other influences, other cultures
maybe the first real worldwide conscious techno child ever

Basstronomer · Post by **Basstronomer** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:22 am

opti wrote: Dub is not a genre
Dub is a process

Dubcore is a nice concept (and a nice track u homie)

Think about it, King or Scientist were punks. They just have been irreverencious and broke their local pop music into pieces (yes reggae was pop music for jamaican peeps circa 60s/70s), inventing a unique way to use effects as instruments. Thus they gave us exemples of mental composition, giving the impulsion to future looping electronic genres

dubstep is techno indeed
a child of techno that became aware of other influences, other cultures
maybe the first real worldwide conscious techno child ever

Amen.

ohmwerk · Post by **ohmwerk** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:07 pm

Amen my bro'

"Process" is the Word.

"Dub" is a process as "Hardcore" is an other process.

Dub is a process, Hardcore is a process but "Dubcore" is just the title of a track... Nothing else !

Ohmie.

n012 · Post by **n012** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:42 pm

full stop

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:09 am

unklefesta wrote:
futures_untold wrote:Maybe its just dark techy dubstep?
yeah, I wouldnt start subcategorizing yet bruv

it's dope shit tho

esp: http://www.myspace.com/ohmwerk

I parked it on the myspace page and listened to all of the tunes

edit: I went to add them as friends (which I rarely do anymore), and they already were linked to me

shame on me for not listening to people who request

Same, same, same, shame LOL

Good stuff Ohmwerk.

I gotta get me those tunes!

taal mala · Post by **taal mala** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:23 am

1. Get a 909, a Jupiter 8, some distortion pedals, and a bad 80's digital reverb box.

2. Sample some jungle and hardcore records

3. Rock out.

ohmwerk · Post by **ohmwerk** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:58 pm

abZ wrote:
Good stuff Ohmwerk.

I gotta get me those tunes!

Thanks ! Soon... a vinyl and a promo pack

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