Scratching over dubstep??

whineo · Post by **whineo** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:14 pm

cure wrote:Tipper scratches over dubstep and hes the fucking man. Apparently hes started producing it, and Ill bet its gonna be off the hook.

the man has some proper skills
I swear that he triggers his midi using his scratching, could be wrong tho.

dubstepper · Post by **dubstepper** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:27 pm

holik wrote:
Dubstepper wrote:On the whole scratching thing, i have seen a certain dj scratching with them scratch vinyls, but the thing is at first i didnt know it was a scratch vinyl, i just thought fuck me he can scratch, but then after realising he was using a scratch vinyl i thought whats the point, i mean ye it does sound good, but its allmost like cheating, coz the scratch vinyl makes all the scratching noises all you gotta do is play about with it abit.

it´s pretty obvious people are quite clueless about scratching. fair enough, never been a major thing. but for someone who has been doing it for over 10 yearsä(and bought decks solely for the wikiwaki purpose) these comments just seem funny. damn funny. so no disrespect to ANYONE, but it just seems funny.

also people are almost solely talking about solo scratching.

drumming is totally neglected as is phrasing in this thread.

i mostly phrase, the group i play with doesn´t really benefit from solos at all.

the 10 years doesn´t mean i´m exellent in any area. in fact i´ve always sucked at solos, but can work well in a group.

but i´ll give this thread a rest.

NOZL: i hit you on your nozl contact.

when you got the time, let me know if you are interested at all.

Im not clueless on scratching in fact im ok at it, but i have never used those scratch vinyls, they just seem like a cop out to me, it gives the listener the impresion the dj is amazing at scratching infact they are not. Allso you didnt even answer anythin in my post, i simply asked for info on them scratch vinyls and kinda wanted to know if any1 else thought it was kinda cheating?? For instance When mc scratchy was a dj he was amazing at scratching live purely using normal vinyl and playing about with it to the highest degree. Why you found my post funny i will never know, was a simple question. I know most people was talking bout solo scratching, but that doesnt mean to say that some1 cant chat about different aspects of scratching. Isurpose some1 else may answer my question

holik · Post by **holik** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:03 pm

i said i give it a rest,but can´t resist.

the old cheating argument has been used for ages.

okay, i understand it to a certain degree, when we´re talking rafik style peronal battle vinyl, where everything is laid out for the set and has cut offs in sounds readily. (don´t get me wrong, rafik could take out most on any vinyl). that is if battling would be the thing. for me, it never was. music is the thing.

but when it comes to older battle records like the dirtsyle ones or the newer scratch records like UPR series, funkshit up records or cloctave for instanse, it´s all about the convinience for live use and SOUND (just plain sound quality is an issue for many digged vinyls in live use,not to even talk about cue burn durability).

diggin is where it is at. scratch records is where it is at. both have their valid place.

if you´re interested in the records in the composition use, i recommend checking out UPR series and clocktave and there is the damn good french series, but the name escapes me. for bit of this and that between the dj set i still love my superseal, turkey cuts and bionic booger breaks. all the classic sounds and a lot more.

what i found funny about your post ;

the thing is at first i didnt know it was a scratch vinyl, i just thought fuck me he can scratch, but then after realising he was using a scratch vinyl i thought whats the point, i mean ye it does sound good, but its allmost like cheating, coz the scratch vinyl makes all the scratching noises all you gotta do is play about with it abit.
yeah, that is what scratching essentially is- playing with it. no matter what it is. the thing is, if it sounds good, how could it be cheating... if a synth sounds good, is it cheating, because it´s controlled by midi or even better, because a series of gnomes isn´t playing a random amount of spaceflutes at the same time?

again. no disrespect.

special_k · Post by **special_k** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:13 pm

dubstepper I wouldn't say its cheating at all, presuming your talking about dj tool vinyls, they just give djs better material to work with, in a track you'll rarely find a vocal thats isolated from all the other sounds going on around, and theres no prerecorded scatching on dj tools just various vocal snippets, sound effects and basic drum patterns, the fact that they don't have a whole lot of other sounds going on at the same time means that they can be layered on top of a beat or whatever without detracting from the aesthetic of the other tune playing, just makes sense.

If like myself your crap at scratching ( not saying you might be crap at scratching just person x) then you'll be crap if your using dj tools or not, if your good at scratching then using dj tools will give you a wider range of source materials but wouldnt really give the impression that your technically better than you are at all.

dubstepper · Post by **dubstepper** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:18 pm

Ye i get what your saying, but i mean im not greatly into scratching and didnt even know what a scratch vinyl was, but i mean like in the instance of this 1 guy who i see scratching he seemed amazing, lots of peps was biggin him up sayin how great he is, but i see it as kinda cheating coz the amazing sounds are not coming from him scratching but more from the sounds the scratch vinyl makes, and i bet like me all them other people who thought this guy was great at scratching thought he was manually scratching with a vinyl, infact he wasnt and i bet if he did try to incorprate scratching in a mix using a normal vinyl he wouldnt sound nowhere near as good. As appossed to djs like Scratchy d. He was a scratch master. I even had him in ere last week he can still mix really good. But then again im not saying scratch djs who use scratch vinyl are cheating coz i have never used them just seems mabe that way. Its new news to me allso that theres been lots of peps sayin djs using scratch vinyl is cheating, as im not that much into it. Any ways bro i see your a scratch dj and hope i didnt offend you in what i said.

holik · Post by **holik** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:19 pm

what i really ment to say was;

post a file bitch.

dubstepper · Post by **dubstepper** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:26 pm

holik wrote:what i really ment to say was;

post a file bitch.

Who do you want to post a file bro im confused?

holik · Post by **holik** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:30 pm

Dubstepper wrote:
holik wrote:what i really ment to say was;

post a file bitch.
Who do you want to post a file bro im confused?

that´s okay.

that line was there to amuse laurent, time and nozl.

it´s coo.

laurent · Post by **laurent** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:18 am

holik wrote:
Dubstepper wrote:
holik wrote:what i really ment to say was;

post a file bitch.
Who do you want to post a file bro im confused?
that´s okay.

that line was there to amuse laurent, time and nozl.

it´s coo.

i nearly spilt my coffee on the comp! ha ha

is this the right forum?

anyways im off to work but i just remembered something i meant to say yesterday. Various Productions live shows, with a DJ doing the scratch thing properly, if you havent seen them I recommend you do. They got it right. Lots of people have, as has been said over and over it's not what you do but how you do it.

drew · Post by **drew** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:57 am

6 Blocc !

man's been djing since the 80s - he really makes it work

time · Post by **time** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:10 am

holik wrote: post a file bitch.

haha!

this thread has gone bonkers.

ive checked out most of the people that have been mentioned that scratch and to me there not doing it well. Nozl is the only one really that was coming correct.

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:51 pm

holik wrote:what i really ment to say was;

post a file bitch.

I did . . . [and I know this wasn´t for me . . .]

and no one made a comment on the mix . . .
very sad . . .
I do actually want to here it even if its really wac . . .
but off-course i then want to here what´s wac . . .

much talking and no audio over 4 pages and no one took a listen to the 2 hour scratch special . . . TALK IZ CHEAP

specially for holik and TIME, you look like you enjoy scratching . . .
Im shure you at least have some good advice for how to make it work . . .
so again . . . check it!

holik · Post by **holik** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:49 pm

spiro wrote:
holik wrote:what i really ment to say was;

post a file bitch.
I did . . . [and I know this wasn´t for me . . .]

and no one made a comment on the mix . . .
very sad . . .
I do actually want to here it even if its really wac . . .
but off-course i then want to here what´s wac . . .

much talking and no audio over 4 pages and no one took a listen to the 2 hour scratch special . . . TALK IZ CHEAP

specially for holik and TIME, you look like you enjoy scratching . . .
Im shure you at least have some good advice for how to make it work . . .
so again . . . check it!

i´ll check it.

damn slow connection right now since i´m on the road, but i´ll DL when i´m back in the office.

nozl · Post by **nozl** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:51 pm

holik wrote:

NOZL: i hit you on your nozl contact.

when you got the time, let me know if you are interested at all.

Haven't got the message man

Holla back yo....

holik · Post by **holik** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:35 pm

NozL wrote:
holik wrote:

NOZL: i hit you on your nozl contact.

when you got the time, let me know if you are interested at all.

Haven't got the message man

Holla back yo....

ahh shit.

i even got a reply to my email that it was sent.

check dem PM´s.

i copied the whole thing there-

time · Post by **time** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:18 pm

spiro wrote:. . . TALK IZ CHEAPspecially for holik and TIME, you look like you enjoy scratching . . .
check it![/url]

what do you want me to say. i allready said nozl is the only person mentioned on this thread who has REALLY impressed me. without wanting to upset 2 much.. ill just say your repetition and sloppyness hurt my ears. You scratch "ahhhh" way to much and way to loud. Having said that though you have potential and at times your flow sounds aight.

__________ · Post by **__________** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:22 pm

spiro wrote:
Corpsey wrote:I like Premier's scratches
but thats how they did in 1990! now its 2008 . . .
lets hope the styles have become a bit less premier!

but premier´s scratches is on its own level!

style is style no matter what year it is or how many records you've produced

which fools want to scratch their vinyl anyway!?

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:58 am

TIME wrote:without wanting to upset 2 much...

not upsetting at all . . . i asked for some feedback . . .

we wasn´t too satisfied ourselves. We where 3 people 4 decks and it was just a session to se if it could work . . .
but its always better to get feedback from others . . .
that in mind, i think your comment was thumbs up for putting in some work to make it sound ok!

i tried to find some mixes by nozl . . . no luck
some short practice videos only . . .
any links ? always cool with some nice flowing mixing with tight cuts!

b0ttr0p · Post by **b0ttr0p** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:53 pm

Scratching is sick! Totally of the hook. But only over a Stubstep set. Pure Dubstep is all about da basssssssss.

lone wolf · Post by **lone wolf** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:25 pm

i tried to find some mixes by nozl . . . no luck

We're scratch nerds not mix nerds

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