Kick & Bass Frequencies...?

addict · Post by **addict** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:50 pm

relik wrote:
AdDICT wrote: i need a good frequency analyzer (FREE if poss) if anyone can help.
I thought you were using FL? There's a spectrum analyzer laid right over the PEQ2.

yes ok, that's my idiot thing to say today. sorry im a N00b. i fucking hate that word. With passion i hate it.

miss_molinari · Post by **miss_molinari** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:47 am

AdDICT wrote:
relik wrote:
AdDICT wrote: i need a good frequency analyzer (FREE if poss) if anyone can help.
I thought you were using FL? There's a spectrum analyzer laid right over the PEQ2.
yes ok, that's my idiot thing to say today. sorry im a N00b. i fucking hate that word. With passion i hate it.

lol. find where where your kick hits, and then try linkin the slider thing in peq2 (on your bass) to your kick (experiment with bandwidth here). hopefully when your kick hits, it's equivalent frequency is cut on the bass.

and yeah when people talk of cuts and rolloffs there are just talking about eq settings..

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Fri May 23, 2008 12:11 pm

a related question, which i'd really appreciate any advice on...

what techniques can one employ to get sub frequencies in both basslines and kicks which have real presence and weight, but without it making your speakers buzz? what things might i be doing wrong?

osk · Post by **osk** » Fri May 23, 2008 12:25 pm

elgato wrote:a related question, which i'd really appreciate any advice on...

what techniques can one employ to get sub frequencies in both basslines and kicks which have real presence and weight, but without it making your speakers buzz? what things might i be doing wrong?

Know what you're saying. I'm no pro, but I find actually rolling a little more than usual off a really subby kick or sub line can help. People talk about rolling off below 30-40Hz on everything. Sometimes though my tunes will sound fine through the monitors but then in the car the bass just makes the speakers fuzz and rattle. Most other things are rolled off below 200Hz so it's not a case of overlapping or anything. So I often go back and roll off the bass from 50Hz downwards, just until the sound is essentially the same but it's not peaking quite as high on the levels. It's subtle but it works for me.

Again though it all depends on sounds etc.

sully_harmitage · Post by **sully_harmitage** » Fri May 23, 2008 3:56 pm

yeh if youre speakers are farting the subs too loud basically
50 hz hi pass seems a bit high to me, maybe gd for kicky techno or house but for subby stuff it seems a bit much
defo roll off past 30-35 (most well engineered systems will do this anyways, so any content below this is definately getting wasted)
if yr gonna go higher make sure its a soft curve
i find levelling subs is the hardest part of a mix - cos more always sounds better!
i remember reading breakage saying yr subs shouldnt add more than 3db to yr mix thats seems like a good guide...

btw, sub in kick an bassline simultaeously is gonna cause clashes (n maybe disortion?) id either decrease the attack on the bass or cut the sub from the kick...

osk · Post by **osk** » Fri May 23, 2008 4:34 pm

Or just sidechain or arrange around it.

drifterman_ · Post by **drifterman_** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:10 pm

Sounds very simple

but this really helped me

when I mix down my Sub/Kick drum i'll solo the two tracks

ill turn up the volume on my soundcard+speakers VERY loud.

Ill push the sub until it begins to distort

then do the same with the kick

then ill start eqing

as i eq each time i cut/boost i alter volume

eventually, you will get it sitting perfectly

its trial and error for me, until my ears are good enough to pinpoint exactly what needs to be done (if that ever actually happens..)

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Sat May 24, 2008 11:07 pm

nice one for the tips guys

fuzz_2k · Post by **fuzz_2k** » Sun May 25, 2008 12:21 pm

feelin this thread!!!!!

"learning curve"

COURT · Post by **COURT** » Sat May 31, 2008 12:04 pm

Docwra wrote:If your making your drums and kicks punchy enough et etc then you shouldnt have to cut frequencies it should punch through your bass clearly. EQ can kill a sample, thats why a lot of peoples stuff tend to sound thin.

so how do you go about the whole freq control?
how do you cater for your samples freq territorty in the mix?
cheers

proximityeffect · Post by **proximityeffect** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:33 am

we tend to use fairly consistent sub-bass/kick sounds through our tracks, as we found some really nice clean, loud samples we were really happy with (after HEAPS of searching)... this philosophy seems to work well for us, with the mid-basses, snares, hats, breaks, etc. adding their own individual flavour to each track...

EQ wise, we run the sub from about 30-120, with the kick running from about 80 - 1.2k (with a -3db shelf at bout 250 and a cut at about 500-800)... the overlap at 80-120 can be controlled with careful placement of levels and good sidechain-compression (and obviously fine adjusting the EQ further if required)...

also remember - sub-grouping when it comes to further comp/EQ is your best friend... use your buses wisely...

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