Do some retailers hang on to ltd 12"s to sell later on

[setspeed]

this thread is jokes!

lol at the emo whiners

[mrbeatnick]

*disbelief*

i dunno, i think if you hoard things up even though you don't like em, just to shift someone elses product in a few years, it's a bit wack to be honest. I buy things i like. If I really like it I'll buy two. And that's because I know someone will go "i wish i had that" one day and i'll be able to say "lucky i got two then mate".

it's not really the time to be dissing retailers.. if you're a record shop that sells vinyl, and you're still open today, congratulations, you're one of the few. They have to be very on it, shrewd operators to be shifting plastic nowadays. If copies "suddenly" appear, it's not necessarily the shops "hiding them"... quite often, it's a shrewd repress happening somewhere, or a distro that woke the fuck up and realised they were sleeping on a box of 12"s.

[the wiggle baron]

Sometimes, it's because he doesn't want the locals playing the same tunes as him, so he cleans the shelf.

For a start, I thought you said you had to order all your records from the UK? (oh, and I think thats fucking sickening btw.)

However! If as you said in your last post, you only happen to have these extra records due to the pair of you buying it or something similar, and then sell them on as you dont need 2 copies. Of COURSE thats fine! For the last time, my point is, and always has been, that it is wrong to buy extra copies of a tune with the intent of just flogging them on for more once they have sold out.

edit: And listen to mala's interview from the red bull music academy for the reasons why he doesnt repress early DMZ releases straight from the horses mouth!

[chamclowder]

lol, Ive completely lost count of the number of unrelated points you have made now cham. Are you a politician?

ALL im trying to comment on, is the morals of buying an extra copy of something, so that you deny another person the chance of owning a piece of music they love, in order to sell it on at a later date (possibly to that person! who knows?) for alot more money.

For a start, if youre getting records for $6.99 thats a FUCK lot cheaper than I am!! I pay I would say on average £5.99 per 12". Thats what, $12? So im really not sure where that argument (which doesn't even justify a thing) is coming from.

And by the way, I could give any less of a shit how your boyfriend spends his money. If hes profiting from other people to buy more records, or more crack, I couldnt care less. Doesn't change the morals of the situation.

Again, another unrelated point from you with the baseball cards thing. If someone bought 10 copies of WAR001 because they had always wanted to own 10 copies of it and hang them around their room, all power to them. Its buying them with the intent to sell thats wrong. If you collect something you keep it, not sell it on for profit.

And that whole "ill have it still sealed" is also irrelevant (youre good at this). Yes, the person who buys it from you will get it sealed, but so would they have if you had left them that copy in the shop (and without the ridiculous price tag).

I dont know what your ripping to MP3 thing is about. Im struggling to think of anything i could care much less about

What he is doing and you are being critical of, you'd not be saying shit if he owned a shop, right? He owns a shop, it's called an Ebay store. You want to buy the merch? Bid on it. That's how we roll in our store. Don't like it, go to another store.

Don't know where another store is? Well, I guess you're going to pay whatever you're told or not get the tune. That's life bro.

The thing is, they wouldn't have gotten it in the shop or they'd have beaten me to it. It's not like we're camping out for records here. We know about them later than all the heads do, even. We scroll the forum, see a tune we like, find out when it's dropping, and we get it...

there are 2 of us, we shop separately... we have fairly similar tastes... what do you not get?

Even on accident we get 2 copies of the same shit on pretty much a weekly basis. If we break up, he's taking his shit and I'm taking mine. It's not like we're both going to have a massive Stockpile of DMZ... we're both going to have 1 or 2 copies of each one, which is totally acceptable. You're not changing my mind here. Hell, now I want to max out my credit card to spite you honestly.

If we didn't give away like half of our money to charity maybe we'd have more money to spend on records, and wouldn't have to resort to doing what it takes to keep the hobby alive. People have cars that they keep in the garage. Some of them have 3-4 of the same car.... that doesn't make them a piece of shit. That makes them lucky and that means they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Why don't you drink a nice tall glass of Haterade and chill the fuck out somewhere?

We work very hard for what we have and we'll buy what the fuck we want and you'll shut the fuck up about it... or not, but in either case, you're talking to yourself here bro. I'm not changing, he's not changing and pretty soon we'll be giving away valuable vinyl to everyone who isn't you if you keep your attitude up.

You say it's wrong... obviously wrong is relative, because how could something that is sooooooooo wrong feel sooooooooo damn right? Again... nobody here has any right to be able to own any record.

There are 2 kinds of DJ's out there... the quick and you. Lemme know what you're looking for and we'll get you a special deal. Maybe if you order enough, we'll only charge you an extra 4 pound on top of the already bullshit shipping. BTW, our ebay auctions have free worldwide, insured, first class shipping with tracking. 100% + Feedback, that is out of over 1200 Feedback. Not a single person complaining about our services when it comes to records. If there's a defect from manufacture, people know about it in the auction. If there's a delay, they end up getting a surprise in their package, usually worth more than the item they ordered. Nobody leaves questioning themselves. Least of all, us.

[frebentos]

if you keep your attitude up.

the only person with an attitude problem here is you.

[chamclowder]

if you keep your attitude up.

the only person with an attitude problem here is you.

I don't have a problem with my attitude. Your mileage may vary, but I don't care much. I'm not telling anyone else how to spend their money, eh. I don't care what you do as long as I don't have to witness it. Someone asked a question about record shops. I can undoubtedly say that they do that shit. I do it, he does it... gemm.com every fucker on there does it... really you guys may be the only few who don't... catch up kids.

[oddfellow]

if you keep your attitude up.

the only person with an attitude problem here is you.

I don't have a problem with my attitude. Your mileage may vary, but I don't care much. I'm not telling anyone else how to spend their money, eh. I don't care what you do as long as I don't have to witness it. Someone asked a question about record shops. I can undoubtedly say that they do that shit. I do it, he does it... gemm.com every fucker on there does it... really you guys may be the only few who don't... catch up kids.

Obviously you don't have a problem with your own attitude. But some of the things you are saying alongside your points of view are just silly.

Again, I'm playing the worlds smallest violin for you...

/me rubs fingers together in a "show me the money" manner

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Once you have mellowed out, consider that someone is going to be excited as all hell when they connect with that tune. Like the scene from Fight Club when Brad Pitt holds the gun to the store clerks head, and then he says

"Tomorrow when he wakes up, he's going to eat the best meal he's ever eaten, because he's alive."

Comes across a bit OTT.

[__________]

what's wrong if shops stockpile certain tunes? seems like good accidental or intentional foresight to me. i don't see a problem with it.

[the wiggle baron]

I just realised I posted another question. Which leads to this carrying on doesnt it.

Enough.

[stanton]

what's wrong if shops stockpile certain tunes? seems like good accidental or intentional foresight to me. i don't see a problem with it.

It's not fair on the producers, labels, and distributors though is it.

[setspeed]

what's wrong if shops stockpile certain tunes? seems like good accidental or intentional foresight to me. i don't see a problem with it.

It's not fair on the producers, labels, and distributors though is it.

yes it is; once the shops have bought the records, everyone back up the chain gets paid.

[nitrous_mcbread]

what's wrong if shops stockpile certain tunes? seems like good accidental or intentional foresight to me. i don't see a problem with it.

It's not fair on the producers, labels, and distributors though is it.

yes it is; once the shops have bought the records, everyone back up the chain gets paid.

Plus there's far more cachet if you're a producer and you go on ebay and see your EP selling for 30 or 40 quid. That's gonna big you up in quite some special way.

[__________]

i was more thinking about the collectors and djs that get to buy the tunes later at a normal price. if the price is reasonable then i don't see a problem

[Littlefoot]

"I'll do what I can to help ya'll, but the game is out there... It's either play, or get played."

Suck it up.

You've changed your tune

[prisoner]

don't blame clam she's an american and a capitalist so morals dont come into play.

[spooKs]

lol, no one would buy multiple copies of every record in the WAR series for anything other than to sell on they're awful.

yeah what's with this!? they're mostly pretty boring stuff imo, i like the first release, the matty g one, but its still pretty standard fare

[struggle]

don't blame clam she's an american and a capitalist so morals dont come into play.

but seriously though...as long as there are people desperate enough for that certain record there are sure to be scoundrels waiting to take advantage. i will say that it's weird to me that people are paying this kind of money for records that are only one or two years old. chances are most of the records in question won't be worth jack a couple years from now.

[nitrous_mcbread]

chances are most of the records in question won't be worth jack a couple years from now.

Dunno if I agree with you there. Have you seen the price of happy hardcore on ebay? Limited releases from the early 90s, many of 'em going for over 50 squid - and we're talking about the most inane shite - you know the score - beep beep, cartoons, smiley face, flashy lights, dayglo dummy 'n a glowstick up your arse. You almost had to be special needs to listen to it back then, let alone now. The only difference is that people won't be so embarrassed to admit a fondness for dubstep in 15 years' time ("Remember dubstep? Ahh, those were the days... probably"). And whereas WAR002 is selling on ebay now for £20, in 15 years' time you can add a zero onto that at least.

[struggle]

chances are most of the records in question won't be worth jack a couple years from now.

Dunno if I agree with you there. Have you seen the price of happy hardcore on ebay? Limited releases from the early 90s, many of 'em going for over 50 squid - and we're talking about the most inane shite - you know the score - beep beep, cartoons, smiley face, flashy lights, dayglo dummy 'n a glowstick up your arse. You almost had to be special needs to listen to it back then, let alone now. The only difference is that people won't be so embarrassed to admit a fondness for dubstep in 15 years' time ("Remember dubstep? Ahh, those were the days... probably"). And whereas WAR002 is selling on ebay now for £20, in 15 years' time you can add a zero onto that at least.

only time reveals.

[thinking]

to answer the original question, no.

Record shops these days aren't lucrative enough to sit on stock long enough in an attempt to make massive profits in the ways suggested - they rely on the turnover of stock, week in week out.

Plus, if records are likely to increase in value in a short space of time (i.e. <12 months), then it's probable the release itself will be a limited press - such as the WAR 12"s. In this case, each shop is limited as to how many copies they can buy, so again it's not particularly worthwhile trying stockpile tunes in this way because the shop can't buy enough to make lucrative profits.