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Post by eshscramble » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:07 pm

sapphic_beats wrote:
eshscramble wrote:it's saddening to hear one of the very few places that is keeping vinyl rolling is considering this. no dis, it just sucks that things are that way.
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why is this sad that we could have the transition magic done for those who aren't rich enough (or close enough) or don't want to press dubplates?

if it means better sounding digi files, i am all for it!

not to mention if it means that transition can keep their doors open for doing dubplates and vinyl mastering by supplementing their income AND making more tunes sound good, this is pure win/win.
i didn't mean it's sad on transition's part, i meant it's sad that this is the way things are now.

i see where you're comin from, and i agree to an extent. helping transition is A++ in my book. i just feel that some people are in a bit of a rush to get their tracks in playable format- mp3 now being the case. i've noticed a decline in the overall quality of music played at local events since the acceptance of mp3 playing(and i'll admit, some of that has to do with the lack of mastering). i think this would be a great service to use if one were working on an album that would go straight to CD format, or any similar situation.

i think the multiple hoops one has to jump through to get a vinyl release or dubplate cut is a great standard for minimal quality control. for example, i have a pile of tunes in my catalog that i would have wanted digitally mastered for the first week after i made them... but after that initial excitement wore off, i'd be embarrassed to even show people some of those same tracks.

i guess what i'm trying to say is- for those without a fair amount of self control, this can easily turn into an impulse decision. also, without having to run the tune through a couple of experienced ears before getting it in finished form, i feel the people that make the tunes, and the people that listen to them may be dissatisfied in the end.

i may just have an issue with wanting things done 'properly'... and i guess i'm still on the vinyl train... when someone puts on a dublate, i know it... when they play an mp3 i haven't head before, i don't really care.

on the other hand, this may be a good service for digital labels to get into, at least they can provide some sort of quality filter.

i sound like an asshole again, and for that i'm sorry. i'll stop typing.

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Post by misk » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:15 pm

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Post by lilt » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:45 pm

the output could also be re-recorded at a high bit/sampling rate after going through the analogue gear

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Post by taal mala » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:03 am

i think you should let the mp3 DJ's continue to sound shitty so they will eventually realize that they should play records/dubs.

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Post by FSTZ1 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:09 am

taal mala wrote:i think you should let the mp3 DJ's continue to sound shitty so they will eventually realize that they should play records/dubs.
ZING!!

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Post by phobang » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:16 am

Jtransition wrote:Yes,
We are already supplying some of our clients with MP3'S for download so with a little tweek of the logistics maybe we could do something.
Jason
Depends on the price, but I want to start a digi label... if you are mixing tunes down for vinyl or digital and it is cheap, I'm all over it. Even if it's a little pricey, I think Transitions has made their mark and earned the check, so to speak.

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Post by luxton » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:54 pm

would defo be up for that, i can make a tune that sounds ok on my shitty speakers, but would love to be able to master professionally, make em sound all shiny!

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Post by djshiva » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:56 pm

eshscramble wrote:
i think the multiple hoops one has to jump through to get a vinyl release or dubplate cut is a great standard for minimal quality control. for example, i have a pile of tunes in my catalog that i would have wanted digitally mastered for the first week after i made them... but after that initial excitement wore off, i'd be embarrassed to even show people some of those same tracks.

i guess what i'm trying to say is- for those without a fair amount of self control, this can easily turn into an impulse decision. also, without having to run the tune through a couple of experienced ears before getting it in finished form, i feel the people that make the tunes, and the people that listen to them may be dissatisfied in the end.

i may just have an issue with wanting things done 'properly'... and i guess i'm still on the vinyl train... when someone puts on a dublate, i know it... when they play an mp3 i haven't head before, i don't really care.

on the other hand, this may be a good service for digital labels to get into, at least they can provide some sort of quality filter.

i sound like an asshole again, and for that i'm sorry. i'll stop typing.
so once again, someone is saying that with digital, the impulse control and quality control isn't there. *shakes head* i think that would be the exact point that transition is proposing here with "mp3 dubplates". that instead of just crapping out tune and after tune, and giving out weak sounding copies to people to get played, you would actually have to plonk down some cash on the ones you thought were worthy to be played out, but not so much as a full mastering job. ummm...hello. quality control.

isn't that the whole point of dubplates too? get a good sounding test copy to test before a crowd, but not have to go the full mastering route cuz you might wanna tweak it depending upon how it sounds on a big system.

and this:
when someone puts on a dublate, i know it... when they play an mp3 i haven't head before, i don't really care.
wow. the snobbery just gets more stunning the more i hear this from people. so do you care about good, interesting, new sounds? or do you care about MEDIUM? stunning...just stunning.
taal mala wrote:i think you should let the mp3 DJ's continue to sound shitty so they will eventually realize that they should play records/dubs.
are you volunteering to be my generous benefactor so i can afford it? and "should" play records/dubs? is there a grand supreme rulebook on how to express creativity that i have missed?
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Post by claw » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:08 pm

id be interested in what processing you do to the mp3s on a service like this...like what gear you actually run it thru, and how noticeable the difference is....like if you were to take a mp3 thats already been 'mastered' digitally, so its loud as can be and compressed and limited and eq'd completely before you got it....what difference would your service make in that case? would it be additional compression or eq, or are you just rerecording it back into a daw after passing thru a board/pre's ?
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Post by AFL » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:21 pm

sapphic_beats wrote:
taal mala wrote:i think you should let the mp3 DJ's continue to sound shitty so they will eventually realize that they should play records/dubs.
are you volunteering to be my generous benefactor so i can afford it?
:D word.

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Post by Shift Recordings » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:28 pm

would be interested...
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Post by djshiva » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:15 pm

i certainly don't want this to devolve into any real personal shittalking or anything like that, to be sure. just wanted to point that out.

i think the mp3 dubplate would be a lovely service (if the price is right) so that people can take those tunes they are really diggin of their own and give em a little bump up in soundquality, hear em on a good system, and have some idea of how it would sound mastered on a big system.

i think this is something that will encourage more quality control from people, not less.

let's face it: the majority of people do NOT have access to dubplate pressing houses near them, and even if they do, the price is exceedingly out of reach for many of us. so for most, real dubplates are not an option, but mp3 and digital djing technology (of varying sorts) makes it easier to test your tunes anyway.

and really, getting back to the point here: when i play my new stuff out on wav (i actually use wav if it's my own stuff), i tend to do it at smaller shows or whatnot, because for me, having djed for 13+ years now, the best way for me to really gauge my own tunes is playing them with mastered tunes. that always gives me a better sense of what needs tweaking, which is why i do it.

i remember playing my first attempt at making a techno tune, at some local club (no one was really there, so it didn't matter much) and realizing...WOW that sounds like shit. LOL. nothing drove home that point like playing it out on a big system b2b with other, really well done and mastered tunes. it's a big lesson, and really the point (to me) of playing any kind of dub/new tune.

i guess my point with all this is, there is no set-in-stone way that anyone SHOULD be doing any of this. when the rulebooks start getting written, the music starts sucking (IMO). when the medium becomes more important than the music, priorities are a little off. when how much you spend on getting the music becomes more important than your skills at selecting...that's wack. when one way of presenting the music is considered more legitimate, regardless of skill or sound...it starts to sound like fear of change, and makes me think of republicans...hehe.

anyhow, i am having a nic fiend fit right now, so if any of this was babbly, my apologies. ;)
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Post by futures_untold » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:19 pm

sapphic_beats wrote:imakes me think of republicans...
Fucking republicans.... :P ;) lol

Back on topic....

If I had the kind of money spare to spend on pimping my tunes, then I'd defo consider using an online mastering service....

However, if I was even going to spend any money on my tunes, I'd rather save the extra money and have dubs cut...

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Post by slothrop » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:22 am

phobang wrote:
Jtransition wrote:Yes,
We are already supplying some of our clients with MP3'S for download so with a little tweek of the logistics maybe we could do something.
Jason
Depends on the price, but I want to start a digi label... if you are mixing tunes down for vinyl or digital and it is cheap, I'm all over it. Even if it's a little pricey, I think Transitions has made their mark and earned the check, so to speak.
TBH, if I was actually planning to release stuff (ha!) I'd probably want a full mastering service, whether from Transition or elsewhere.

AIUI, this service is a bit more of a quick and dirty option...

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Post by eshscramble » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:33 am

you're may be right, i probably am a snobby, ignorant, scared-of-change, vinylophile who doesn't care at all about the music... but i'm no repuclican.

and it won't be a shit talking fest, because i never said anything bad about you. it takes two sides :)
i just stated a somewhat irrelevant opinion, and you took it upon yourself to attack it rather than provide a rational argument. now who's closed minded? i live paycheck to paycheck and eat ramen noodles, and i'd rather save up a bit more cash to have a dubplate for personal use. i can then record that dubplate and send the mastered wavs/mp3s of that recording to any number of digital jockeys i wish.

and to stop hijacking the thread, i never said this was a bad idea- i would definitely consider this if a digital label approached me wanting to release a song. i, so far, have forgotten to vote yes or no. like i said, i'm not against digital, i just think it's sad that my favorite part about djing and seeing djs is fading out slowly. it's more of a personal issue that i wish less people would concern themselves with.

another thing- i'm not looking down on transition, or any vinyl pressing/cutting company, for considering this- what respectable business would leave money on the table by denying a service which they can easily provide?? i've heard nothing but good in regards to transition's mastering(pun intended).

to recap:
Yes, I would be very interested in this service if a label signed me to a digital release

from the looks of this thread, i think there is some definite demand for this service. you should try it out and see what happens!

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Post by yong » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:04 am

taal mala wrote:i think you should let the mp3 DJ's continue to sound shitty so they will eventually realize that they should play records/dubs.


:cry: Support your local 15 year DJ with no money to buy vinyl

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Post by djshiva » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:07 am

eshscramble wrote:
and it won't be a shit talking fest, because i never said anything bad about you. it takes two sides :)
oh no!!! i wasn't referring to you with that comment!!! :( a little debate is all good, i have no issue, nor do i take any of this personally. i was referencing another little swipe from someone else about someone else.

and even my comment about snobbiness wasn't mean to be a personal attack on any one person, more a personal frustration with the overall dubplate mafioso vibes that i have seen before in the dnb world and am seeing again with dubstep, and just tend to get frustrated with it. if it came across as me personally attacking, i do apologize. it sincerely wasn't mean that way.

i enjoy a good debate, but i don't have any personal issues with anyone here, for the record (pun intended). and i am not trying to make any.
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Post by eshscramble » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:02 am

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Post by misk » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:43 am

yong wrote:
taal mala wrote:i think you should let the mp3 DJ's continue to sound shitty so they will eventually realize that they should play records/dubs.


:cry: Support your local 15 year DJ with no money to buy vinyl
get a job, kid. :D

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Post by rusha » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:12 pm

i would defiently be interested in this, like seriously ive been waiting for someone to start doing this, when would this service be up and running?

price isnt really an issue as long as its not stupidly priced.

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