Wonky!

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:51 pm

rekorder makes wonky

rekordah · Post by **rekordah** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:02 pm

pk- wrote:rekorder makes wonky

Missing me already sugartits?

luckyme · Post by **luckyme** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:02 pm

We officially accept it now. I think we just have to. Like everything you do and make public you loose any write to call it good, bad, wonky or hip hop. Let the people use whatever name they want as long as they don't forget that hip hop really, really motivated this scene of music.

Cop some LuckyMe downloads at http://suso.co.uk/susology/features/luckyme-in-the-city

And of course keep checking our advent calendar / mixtapes at
http://www.thisisluckyme.com

Peacer.

errorhead · Post by **errorhead** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:08 pm

Let the people use whatever name they want as long as they don't forget that hip hop really, really motivated this scene of music.

this

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:16 pm

Not a fan, but Shiva is... mixed bag, I guess.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:36 pm

http://www.thisisluckyme.com/html/home.html

oh and badger on streamizm, plays some lovely wonky..

whopps edit, some1 already posted tha lucky me link!

elementalism · Post by **elementalism** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:01 am

Hang tight Ketamine. Finally a scene that deserves you.

onelouder · Post by **onelouder** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:56 am

http://www.weaponshouse.com/turbocrunk/megasoid/
Megasoids Turbo Crunk & tank thong mixes

http://www.weaponshouse.com/turbocrunk/ ... tist-page/
Lunice page @ WeaponsHouse. Links to free Beat Tapes, makes nice woozy headnodding stuff as well as 808 club Bangers (in a wonk stylee)

http://www.weaponshouse.com/turbocrunk/ ... tist-page/
Hovatron/Mofomatronix page @ Weaponshouse. Straight dopeness there too.

I put the WeaponsHouse page up before... but this is less work for those who couldn't care less about graphic design and other shit they do.

http://www.weaponshouse.com/weaponshouse-news/
This page has a mix from the Lucky Me Crew.

fireman · Post by **fireman** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:11 am

I heard these guys on Electronic Explorations on a weird dubstep/wonky fusion, FUCKING ROPADOPE..... i heard theyre the next black acre record..... check them....

www.myspace.com/technoirbeats

tercerojista · Post by **tercerojista** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:00 am

OneLouder wrote:http://www.weaponshouse.com/turbocrunk/megasoid/
Megasoids Turbo Crunk & tank thong mixes

http://www.weaponshouse.com/turbocrunk/ ... tist-page/
Lunice page @ WeaponsHouse. Links to free Beat Tapes, makes nice woozy headnodding stuff as well as 808 club Bangers (in a wonk stylee)

http://www.weaponshouse.com/turbocrunk/ ... tist-page/
Hovatron/Mofomatronix page @ Weaponshouse. Straight dopeness there too.

I put the WeaponsHouse page up before... but this is less work for those who couldn't care less about graphic design and other shit they do.

http://www.weaponshouse.com/weaponshouse-news/
This page has a mix from the Lucky Me Crew.

WeaponsHouse call their stuff 'turbo crunk', which is a much more fun name than 'wonky'. But 'wonky' was coined over here by guys who know a lot about the London scene, while 'turbo crunk' was coined over there by guys who've done various types of hip hop all their lives.

Megasoid shit on everyone and Robert Squire is untouchable. That said, what they do is turbo crunk (it's got the dirty party, 'go dumb' elements of crunk and hyphy to it), while the kind of stuff that Prefuse 73 does isn't (I wouldn't party to Prefuse 73). I just used to call stuff by the likes of him and Daedelus "fucked up electronic post-hip hop", or "the sound of LA" (even though not all of it comes from LA). It's more like IDM than crunk.

I agree to a large extent with this:

rekorder wrote:In all honesty I believe the use of the term "Wonky" to describe this strain of Hip-Hop has caught on mainly with commentators who have previously been somewhat removed from the development of Hip-Hop, and thus use such terms to try to make sense of what they're hearing.

To play devil's advocate - it could even be said that the term has caught on with people who had previously, to a certain extent, disliked the genre and are thus trying to distance themselves from it.

What's going on at the moment is a fusion of a lot of stuff that's been floating around for a while, in different parts of the globe, under different labels. There's always fusion in the arts, but at times the fusion happens with such a pace and energy that a new label is coined to describe the emergent form: saying "it's all hip hop" is perhaps true at some level, but definitely missing the point somewhat.

I'm enjoying this fusion: what Megasoid are doing is just insane. And I like the way Kode9 can work stuff like Samiyam into his sets because, for me, that kind of stuff by itself was never interesting enough. But hey, there's a huge difference between what they're playing in Montreal and what I've heard them playing in London. Every scene's fusing the elements together in its own way, according to the roots and traditions of the producers associated with that scene.

manray · Post by **manray** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:14 am

Elementalism wrote:Hang tight Ketamine. Finally a scene that deserves you.

hahahaha joker.

SickMan D · Post by **SickMan D** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:33 am

Just really getting my head round this sound, gonna try and head down Cosies to hear some on a system

rekordah · Post by **rekordah** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:36 am

tercerojista wrote: What's going on at the moment is a fusion of a lot of stuff that's been floating around for a while, in different parts of the globe, under different labels. There's always fusion in the arts, but at times the fusion happens with such a pace and energy that a new label is coined to describe the emergent form: saying "it's all hip hop" is perhaps true at some level, but definitely missing the point somewhat.

I'm not saying that it's Hip-Hop and thats all there is to it. It is of no doubt that what is happening now is the fusion of worldwide pockets of innovation and different approaches to production.

But what sets this music apart, and makes it more interesting than the masses of experimentalism without substance that's out there, is the way it applies the groove and swagger of Hip-Hop - the loop that never repeats.

(Bear in mind that i'm refering to the Instrumental beats based stuff here, i'm still quite bemused by the fact that the Joker, Gemmy, Ikonika type stuff has seemingly been lumped in your Ras Gs, Flylos, Lukids, Mweslees etc. - although I admit there is a certain overlap with artists like Rustie)

Also, do you not think calling it "Wonky" is missing the point somewhat? Calling a track "Wonky" implies it makes use of unquantized, stumbling percussion and describes little else about the music .

badger · Post by **badger** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:33 pm

nate_day wrote:i love the idea and the music is dope, BUT wonky could be the worst genre name ive ever heard.

i've got a bit of a love/hate thing going on with the term but at the end of the day it's a good tag for the sound and we all know how much people love their genre names. i'm not a big fan of the term dubstep either but that's still what this music has become so it looks like wonky is something that we'll have to deal with too
the music speaks for itself though, and i for one am utterly in love

deamonds wrote:oh and badger on streamizm, plays some lovely wonky..

cheers mate

tercerojista · Post by **tercerojista** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:47 pm

rekorder wrote:I'm not saying that it's Hip-Hop and thats all there is to it. It is of no doubt that what is happening now is the fusion of worldwide pockets of innovation and different approaches to production.

Also, do you not think calling it "Wonky" is missing the point somewhat? Calling a track "Wonky" implies it makes use of unquantized, stumbling percussion and describes little else about the music .

I wasn't saying that you were saying it was hip hop and nothing else: that comment was aimed at other people on this thread. You actually made points that I agreed with - hence my words: "I agree to a large extent with this"...

In any case, I'm not putting all of the music I mentioned under the category "wonky", either. I was talking about turbo crunk, as well as the labels I was applying to Prefuse 73 & co long before the term "wonky" was ever coined. I'm not saying that, now that somebody's come up with the word "wonky", I'm going to call Prefuse "wonky". What I said was that there are lots of scenes doing their own thing, and they can give it their own name, but the name that's been used in London is "wonky".

Furthermore, calling a track "wonky" doesn't imply that it exhibits only the features that you've noted: it just gives an idea about the overall feel of the sound. Like "dubstep": how diverse has that become?! (well, so diverse that we've now got "wonky" splintering off from it...

) My point was that people shouldn't be dismissing the term "wonky" in favour of "hip hop", because "hip hop" covers a billion different types of sound, many of which have more precise names that give people more of an idea about what the music might sound like.

rekordah · Post by **rekordah** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:49 pm

tercerojista wrote:
rekorder wrote:I'm not saying that it's Hip-Hop and thats all there is to it. It is of no doubt that what is happening now is the fusion of worldwide pockets of innovation and different approaches to production.

Also, do you not think calling it "Wonky" is missing the point somewhat? Calling a track "Wonky" implies it makes use of unquantized, stumbling percussion and describes little else about the music .
I wasn't saying that you were saying it was hip hop and nothing else: that comment was aimed at other people on this thread. You actually made points that I agreed with - hence my words: "I agree to a large extent with this"...

Yeah sorry I missed that

rekordah · Post by **rekordah** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:51 pm

Sickman wrote:gonna try and head down Cosies to hear some on a system

Ahh nice one man, gonna be sick!

benj b · Post by **benj b** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:52 pm

ThinKing wrote:
re: Journalists, they need to be able to describe music to their readers/listeners in order to discuss and disseminate music without resorting to, as above, describing tunes in purely descriptive terms. I'm not a massive fan of 'wonky' as a term, nor is it clear as to who or what is 'wonky'

This process is organic, relatively democratic, and quite difficult to control.

True I guess - look at all the different music that gets pigenholed under "jazz" or "classical". It must be kind of fun for a journalist to come up with names for new sounding styles - about the only time they get to really influence music

.

That's history for you - it's constantly being revised and reconsidered to include different viewpoints and new information that comes to light. I'm not even sure about the term "dubstep" anymore tbh, but at least it gets the music - and an idea of it - across to a lot of people.

urbanite · Post by **urbanite** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:02 pm

it all in a way just seems like a logical progression from the Eurocrunk thing that the institubes/TTC camp made up a couple of years ago... and which has faded by now mostly, with all of institubes making electro/hooligan disco now...

Wonky is as good a name as anything I guess... Love those sounds though...

Wonky!

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