Is Vinyl dying?

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:16 pm

For me the choice is obvious. If you have any sense of history at all, not just "this is where we are now" - and also a sense of the future - you'd realize that the records are something that you can pass along to your children, something that they can hold, something that has an age and an origin. To me, that is roots. Any culture that means anything at all is a culture that is worthy of passing onto the next generation.

dubplates are family heirlooms.

rev · Post by **rev** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:29 pm

wascal wrote: When it comes to using Traktor Pro. It means having 1500+ tunes in a folder, searchable by genre, key, bpm and year instantly. Also having loop points on these tunes and cue points on some of them if thats your bag. Even better, having cue points for individual drums from tunes mapped to a pad controller to resequence tunes completely on the fly.

You would need a forklift truck for your records and the memory of rainman to have all that memorised for that many 12"s.

So now you know the key and bpm's of all your tunes, but if you don't know what the tunes sound like, you are really not very likely to play it anyway are you?? (and I don't suppose a yearly sorted listing of mp3-files on your computer can help you rock a party)
either way you have to get the tunes into your ears and listen to the tracks, and that takes the same amount of time no matter if you listen to vinyl or mp3s.

I still often play five-six hour sets, and I really don't need more than a well-prepared bag of records and a small pile of 7-inches for that.

wascal wrote: Did I mention I bloody love Traktor Pro?

yeah, I get that feeling from your post - your loss!

wascal · Post by **wascal** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:41 pm

rev wrote:
wascal wrote: When it comes to using Traktor Pro. It means having 1500+ tunes in a folder, searchable by genre, key, bpm and year instantly. Also having loop points on these tunes and cue points on some of them if thats your bag. Even better, having cue points for individual drums from tunes mapped to a pad controller to resequence tunes completely on the fly.

You would need a forklift truck for your records and the memory of rainman to have all that memorised for that many 12"s.
So now you know the key and bpm's of all your tunes, but if you don't know what the tunes sound like, you are really not very likely to play it anyway are you?? (and I don't suppose a yearly sorted listing of mp3-files on your computer can help you rock a party)
either way you have to get the tunes into your ears and listen to the tracks, and that takes the same amount of time no matter if you listen to vinyl or mp3s.

I still often play five-six hour sets, and I really don't need more than a well-prepared bag of records and a small pile of 7-inches for that.

wascal wrote: Did I mention I bloody love Traktor Pro?
yeah, I get that feeling from your post - your loss!

I know what all of them sound like from when I record in the 12" / figure out the key / set loop points / practice obsessively / play gigs

As for 'yearly sorted listing of mp3-files' its more like a dynamic spreadsheet on Traktor. Either way its not a competition and I'm not trying to convert anyone to the dark side you luddite.

struggle · Post by **struggle** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:02 pm

wascal wrote:
When it comes to using Traktor Pro. It means having 1500+ tunes in a folder, searchable by genre, key, bpm and year instantly. Also having loop points on these tunes and cue points on some of them if thats your bag. Even better, having cue points for individual drums from tunes mapped to a pad controller to resequence tunes completely on the fly.

You would need a forklift truck for your records and the memory of rainman to have all that memorised for that many 12"s.

Did I mention I bloody love Traktor Pro?

your sets must be mindblowing!

kirkio · Post by **kirkio** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:18 pm

struggle wrote:
wascal wrote:
When it comes to using Traktor Pro. It means having 1500+ tunes in a folder, searchable by genre, key, bpm and year instantly. Also having loop points on these tunes and cue points on some of them if thats your bag. Even better, having cue points for individual drums from tunes mapped to a pad controller to resequence tunes completely on the fly.

You would need a forklift truck for your records and the memory of rainman to have all that memorised for that many 12"s.

Did I mention I bloody love Traktor Pro?
your sets must be mindblowing!

I've listened to a few of his mixes, and they are pretty fecking good. And very diverse. Often manages to cram 40 odd tunes into one mix.

Also:

Jolly Wailer wrote:For me the choice is obvious. If you have any sense of history at all, not just "this is where we are now" - and also a sense of the future - you'd realize that the records are something that you can pass along to your children, something that they can hold, something that has an age and an origin. To me, that is roots. Any culture that means anything at all is a culture that is worthy of passing onto the next generation.

dubplates are family heirlooms.

Funnily enough I had lunch with my Nan round at my Dad's place on boxing day and the conversation got onto what I had been up to. I mentioned I had to travel back home for NYE as I'm djing and she asked if I still play records. I said yes, and she promptly offered me her old record collection (as she has no means of playing it any more)... They were all 78s!!! So yeah. You may be able to give them to your Grandkids, but unless they have an appropriate player then they won't be able to listen to them anyway.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:57 pm

the technics will last long enough for your grandkids too

etidorhpa · Post by **etidorhpa** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:08 pm

Shift Recordings · Post by **Shift Recordings** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:13 pm

Mittens4Kittens wrote:How crappy is it that I can't buy a domestically produced Shift record, for instance?

Actually, we are manufactured and distributed in/from the UK...

PM if you are having trouble finding anything, I'd be glad to help.

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Viva vinyl. Making the switch back to vinyl/dubplates for 2009, its my NY resolution- just want to use serato at home!!

twitch · Post by **twitch** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:51 am

NO!

I've been collecting vinyls since 94. Yeah 320's are good - and i do play on serato if theres no vinyl. But 99.9% of the time i will still buy vinyl if i can.

Its just a shame there's alot of good stuff out on digital and not vinyl. So to be on top of the game with the freshest dubs - im forced to play digital.

I now see it as serato = clubs and vinyl = home

cdj's are for cigarettes/electro house.

twitch

eshscramble · Post by **eshscramble** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:59 am

sweet, new vocab!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-luddism

taal mala · Post by **taal mala** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:29 am

Sines wrote:QUIT MAKING THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! K.THANKS

vinyl will outlast everything else.

cds are dying.

serato is next.

184 · Post by **184** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:07 am

God I hope not..... I've got thousands of records that I'll have to dutifully throw in a skip......

sonar · Post by **sonar** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:33 am

eventually, maybe. but it will outlast cdj's that's for sure.

184 · Post by **184** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:40 am

All the leading DJs in any genre you could name love vinyl.

That's why dubplate's get pressed for big tunes in big sets by big DJs.

There's evidence.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:25 am

eshscramble wrote:sweet, new vocab!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-luddism

wow. Its always cool to find something that puts certain intuitions into words for you.

"certain technologies have an inherent tendency to reinforce or undermine particular values. In particular, they argue that some technologies foster social/class alienation, environmental degradation, and spiritual dissipation, though they are always marketed as uniformly positive by the companies that make them. Neo-Luddites claim that technology is a force that may do any or all of the following: dehumanize and alienate people; destroy traditional cultures, societies, and family structure; pollute languages; reduce the need for person-to-person contact; alter the very definition of what it means to be human"

dj $hy · Post by **dj $hy** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:39 am

184 wrote:All the leading DJs in any genre you could name love vinyl.

That's why dubplate's get pressed for big tunes in big sets by big DJs.

There's evidence.

Actually mate Dubstep alone with reggae is one of the only dance musics still cutting...

House,Techno, Trance ect dj's have been using serato for years now! Check out who Serato sponser!

Love ya vinyl cos its going bye bye standard!

masetrax · Post by **masetrax** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:28 am

I switched to using mp3s for a while, but when I got into Dubstep I started buying vinyl again. Main reason because you can't always get what you want on digital (legally). E.g just picked up Mala-In Luv. Being a bootleg theres slim to no chance of a digital release, and its such a slammer I just had to have it

(Props to sotu for that)

As with everything as long as there is a market for it, it will remain. People still want vinyl so it will still be made.

manuel · Post by **manuel** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:25 pm

MaseTrax wrote:I switched to using mp3s for a while, but when I got into Dubstep I started buying vinyl again. Main reason because you can't always get what you want on digital (legally).

This.

Only time I use Serato these days is if Im feeling to mix a bit of funky shit lol.

Id rather mix dubstep on real vinyl

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