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Post by surface_tension » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:27 pm

Devious_n4ture wrote:
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Paulie wrote:Sasha should have gone to Transition tbf.
lol

anyway, I most agree with the OP... waiting forever is a bad look. That said, so is not waiting and losing your ass. There needs to be a balance. I would like to get to a place where I get a tune and release it within 3 months on vinyl, and have a bit of time to get it mastered, spend a month or two promoting the shit out of it, getting it pressed up, hearing the reaction... then releasing it. That does take time. I don't think the amount of time it takes now is rational.

Also, keep in mind that some producers make tunes so that only they and a few others can play them... that means most of the tunes you like and want to come out, probably won't ever come out. I don't like it anymore than you do, unless of course I have the tune myself :twisted:


Yeah you say all this..... But hurry up and get Lounge and the Atrium remix out instead of keeping them for yourself.......... :wink:

Only joking.... keep doing what you do....

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I think there's something special that may be in store that will make it MORE than worth the wait. I just kinda pee'd a little when I mentioned it honestly, so I shall say no more. :twisted:
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Post by grubstep » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:36 pm

im just really happy to hear that there is still some vinyl heads out there! this dude was going off to me about how its a dying art, and that he has .wav tracks that sound better than dubplates. i wanted to slap the shit out of him. although vinyl has been around since the late 1800s, its still the shit! something about the sound... but as far as dubplates being held back, thats bullshit. special, yes, but that elitist shit needs to go. let other people enjoy the music
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Post by jolly wailer » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:05 pm

NOODLES DPR RECORDINGS wrote:dubplates = bookings


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Post by surface_tension » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:06 pm

For music that is supposedly "urban" and "from the streets" there sure are a lot of people who don't know shit about the hustle.

Next time you're in a bad neighborhood, walk up to the weed dealer on the corner and tell him to share the wealth. :twisted:
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Post by jolly wailer » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:24 pm

I'd rather tell the folks in the affluent neighborhoods to do that :D
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Post by djrodan » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:16 pm

i just hate knowing some tracks will never see the light of day again

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Post by NilsFG » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:24 pm

Stuck in the midle. I find it normal that there are a lot of dubplates that aren't released.
Why? Because I accepted that it's a part of dubstep and its roots. A dj dropping a dubplate is a sign that he worked for it, or earned it with respect from a producer. Some tunes are even better with the dubplate status, you know they are special, and you can't reach them, it gives them some extra character (even though you still want to put it on the decks yourself :p).

Still sometimes it's ridiculous how many dubplates will never get a release. Ok, there are enough releases but I think many people will follow me when I say that a bit more releases from Mala, Skream, Distance, Benga, Coki, you name it, would be good.
After a while, you're not teasing anymore, but downright torturing us :lol: And for the producers who don't want their tunes to lose much of their magic, you could just release them in small batches like somebody already said. Becuase they are still "exclusive" they will still have some of their magic, and even if bedroom dj's (like me now) get them, who cares?
All good dj's were bedroom dj's, and they'll get better. If you worry about bedroom dj's rinsing out the tunes while being the first dj: if they do it, they'll sure get some tips not doing it.



Also, I hope vinyl stays for a long time. Don't want to sell my decks or buy CDJ's. :D

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Post by cosmic revenge » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:13 pm

i've heard many people say (including big producers + djs) that over a soundsystem, you can't tell the difference between vinyl vs. digital
is this true or not?

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Post by surface_tension » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:48 pm

thirdandarmyst wrote:i've heard many people say (including big producers + djs) that over a soundsystem, you can't tell the difference between vinyl vs. digital
is this true or not?
If it's mastered properly and the cut is flawless, they are still about the same. I think CDJ is a bit louder when mixed in comparison to vinyl. Also there are imperfections to vinyl. I still prefer the wax.
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Post by nimbus » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:03 am

seckle wrote:back in jamaica, soundsystems would clash each other on a friday night in neighboring parts of kingston and try and steal crowds from each other. certain dj's would be exclusive to certain parties, and the competitive atmosphere of dubplate culture was thus created. one sound trying to outdo another sound. this is critical to this scene as it was back in jamaica. friendly competition. it keeps the music always moving forward and experimental as well. producers pushing each other for the biggest crowd reaction. this is why dmz and fwd become centers of both inspiration and vibes , because you know that at either party, you're going to hear something you've never heard before...anywhere...not even on radio.

people cut tunes just for fwd and dmz sets! this was how it was years back and probably how it will remain. the competitive atmosphere is of course seen by some as elitist, but thats not the producers idea at all. its not like people sit there and go..hmmm....i'm not giving this tune to so and so because of xyz. its because they themselves want to live with the tune and let it have a life of its own before they consider even marketing it or letting others have it. the producers don't owe you anything! its their music! do you really think that coxsone dodd or tubby cared if the next man was upset about not being able to have their newly cut tunes?

itunes / p2p culture has totally warped people into this consumerist "i want it now" mentality. where can i click a button and have it right now......zzzzzzzzz.

separate art from entertainment. art has a life of its own.
all well and good, but there are sooo many tunes that never see the light. Most times I here a heavy new tune on rinse etc I am inevitably informed that it won't be getting pressed. I end buying wax cos its good and /i need fresh tunes as opposed to buying the tunes I love the most.

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Post by patient » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:22 am

seckle wrote: its because they themselves want to live with the tune and let it have a life of its own before they consider even marketing it or letting others have it. the producers don't owe you anything! its their music!

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itunes / p2p culture has totally warped people into this consumerist "i want it now" mentality. where can i click a button and have it right now......zzzzzzzzz.
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Post by nousd » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:12 am

I like the idea of some gems disappearing into the interstices of whim.
There's so much boring shit around, I'm all for with-holding,
so dj's have to put more into their own tunes.

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