Harmonic And Melodic Minors

Mad_EP · Post by **Mad_EP** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:17 pm

nowaysj wrote:Don't ask! I'm afraid he will tell us.

btw- this was hilarious...

so hilarious in fact, I'm going to grade your homework twice as hard now..

hehehe

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:51 pm

nowaysj wrote:Well you can write in the key of C, but use different scales?

Not really mate.... Your only two options are C Major and its natural relative minor A minor... Which use just the white keys!

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:06 pm

mad ep wrote:Since there seems to be in a decent amount of interest (and since i have big TeReKeTe's blessing), I definitely will write up some theory lessons...

..It'll take me at least a week or so, cos I am finishing up some projects- coincidentally enough, my "Twenty-four Breakbeats" mpfree release on Acroplane. This project was inspired by Bach's Well-Tempered Klavier & Shostakovich's 24 Preludes & Fugues... all collections of pieces written in every major & minor key (ie- 24). Seems to be pertinent timing.. I'll definitely let peeps know when it is available for free download (probably about a week)..

Anyway- my ideas for the first few Theory Lessons, is to cover the basics so we have a foundation to build from. I was thinking:
- Intervals
- the Circle of Fifths
- Scales (all major & minor)
- Chords (major, minor, diminished, augmented, dominant 7)
- Basic Chordal Progressions (Tonic, Dominant, Sub-Dominant)
- Modes

From there, we can dive into deeper waters... What do people think? Anything obvious I am missing out?

The projects sound really interesting, be sure to post a message in here when it's done too!

And the lessons sound brilliant to!

Personally, I have covered most of this stuff but that won't stop me reading it again

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:07 pm

mad ep wrote:
WiREZ wrote: Sorry mate, don't mean to take it off context but if that's still basic theory, what's included in advanced theory?
Hey- first of all... sorry if I came across a bit curt yesterday. It was the end of a frustrating day. I didn't mean to be rude, but re-reading, it could have come across as such.

Before we dive into that bowl of jelly, I think its best to get solid on the basics... If you look at the list I provided in the post above, that is all what I consider to be basic theory. It is a lot- and to be honest, if you have a thorough grasp on all of it, you can do & understand A LOT. Trust me.

But to answer your question... once we've spent some time covering those bases, we can go into more chord progressions, music reading (treble & bass clefs - no real need going into alto & tenor clefs), rhythmic notation & voice leading (4 part harmony). There's lots more, but we'll see what the demand is beyond that...

It's cool man, all is good. We all have our days like that on here and I've been far more rude on occasions

I look forward to the stuff you post in the near future!

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:11 pm

WiREZ wrote:
nowaysj wrote:Well you can write in the key of C, but use different scales?
Not really mate.... Your only two options are C Major and its natural relative minor A minor... Which use just the white keys!

Errr... no?

There are at least 50 scales you can use in C... and not only in C.

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:45 pm

Johnny Beat wrote:
WiREZ wrote:
nowaysj wrote:Well you can write in the key of C, but use different scales?
Not really mate.... Your only two options are C Major and its natural relative minor A minor... Which use just the white keys!
Errr... no?

There are at least 50 scales you can use in C... and not only in C.

Yeh I suppose I was talking crap... C Minor is still writing in the key of C...

How do you explain 50 scales? Unless you include modes. I know there's like pentatonic scales etc too... But is there really 50 different types of scales?

Mad_EP · Post by **Mad_EP** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:57 pm

WiREZ wrote:
Caeraphym wrote:Why's everyone always sniping at FL, especially some poor 'tard who don't know his scales ffs
Suck out bruv, I know my scales... Major and Natural minor anyway. Admittedly I don't know harmonic and melodic minors, but with the [correct ] formula it wouldn't take me long to learn.

You're just sour because you have to use your little fruity chords and scales drop down box to compose in key.

I used to use FL but I upgraded

Let me tell you something I've learnt about music... Most people who don't produce, don't recognise production techniques... Yeh, admittedly it's not what DAW you use, it's how you use it... But I'd be STUPIDLY embarrassed taking a professional session musician into my studio to record them on FL, and it's nothing to do with my ego, it's a business tactic... What sort of reference would they give a producer using the cheapest DAW compared to somebody using the most expensive? Any old twat can download it from torrents and claim themselves a producer... I've put in 3 years at college and have two more to follow, as well as the amount of time and money I've put into it, I think I have a bit of a right to claim these sort of producers as slightly annoying.

So I wasn't 'sniping' FL as such, just so called producers who're really spending their Jobseekers money on FL not planning on making it into a real career because they don't have the effort, knowledge or mind capacity to do so.

So fuck you mate, I'm not a tard... I have reasons to back up my comments, I don't just throw them aimlessly.

Also, no offense to producers who do it for a hobby... I'm talking about a certain minority of people here.

Man... don't make me feel like an idiot for apologizing to you for me being less than courteous. Your whole post to Caeraphym was stupid.

Don't even get me started on the lameness of attacking someone for the tools they use (is there anything more lo-fi than a pencil & paper?? yet it was enough for Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms, Mahler, Strauss, etc etc etc)..

Not to mention, there are tons of people making really great music on FL. Love it or hate it- a great musician will make anything sound good.

I know you are young and just starting-- but you might as well cut that shit out now.

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:12 pm

mad ep wrote: Don't even get me started on the lameness of attacking someone for the tools they use (is there anything more lo-fi than a pencil & paper?? yet it was enough for Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms, Mahler, Strauss, etc etc etc)..

You mean other than their world-class pianos of their time they'd be using since as good as birth... And anything else they needed paid for by the lords, aristocrats and royalty who they were 'signed to'.

These composers had access to the finest of everything musical of the time...

If they said they needed any size orchestra in the best sounding hall just built, they'd have it. And they did just that!

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Sat May 02, 2009 12:07 am

kids--

clean this thread up. kiss and make up, or don't, but keep the dumb shit out of an otherwise extremely useful thread for folks.

and don't no one be dissing on the sm57 or 58. If a 58's good enough for michael jackson (human nature) and joe strummer (london calling), it's good enough for anything.

now! back to theory.

Mad_EP · Post by **Mad_EP** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:07 am

Back on topic...

Are there any other specific areas in theory people are curious about besides the topics I listed?

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Sat May 02, 2009 12:40 pm

Please, continue back on topic now... As I have replied to another load of insults without insulting back.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:29 pm

the dumb shit is gone; it shouldn't have taken my efforts in doing so and saying stay on target MEANS that--- not get your last hurrah in and THEN stay on target.

We're gonna make this a productive forum to really share ideas, questions, etc--and in doing so, cut out the crap. which is exactly what's happened here.

now really-- back on topic!

kareniel · Post by **kareniel** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:14 pm

Are there any other specific areas in theory people are curious about besides the topics I listed?

Modulation!

samkablaam · Post by **samkablaam** » Sun May 03, 2009 12:20 am

funny thread

chromaticism - chords too

safe

md (sterling sound) · Post by **md (sterling sound)** » Tue May 05, 2009 3:53 pm

@mad- mate i think thats a fkin wicked idea,ive learned the main (standard triads)major an minor chords and scales and i am half way through learning the circle of fifths.your tutorials would be a great read and help.peace

magma · Post by **magma** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:54 pm

mad ep wrote:my "Twenty-four Breakbeats" mpfree release on Acroplane. This project was inspired by Bach's Well-Tempered Klavier & Shostakovich's 24 Preludes & Fugues... all collections of pieces written in every major & minor key (ie- 24). Seems to be pertinent timing.. I'll definitely let peeps know when it is available for free download (probably about a week)..

Sounds very interesting... The Well Tempered Klavier is what I always turn to when I'm lacking an idea for melody!

Mad_EP · Post by **Mad_EP** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:39 pm

kareniel wrote: Modulation!

samkablaam wrote: chromaticism - chords too

cool- added to my list... not gonna dress it up, it'll take me a bit cos 1) i am really swamped right now and 2) i want to do this project justice. but with the help of TeReKeTe, we'll have a rolling sticky of theory of chapters i can add as i write them.

thanks to everybody for the support. it'll be a lot of work.. but i look forward to working on this project cos i think it has a lot of value (to myself as well as others).

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:47 pm

yes mate, it's a wicked idea. pm me and we can sort this out further.

karmacazee · Post by **karmacazee** » Thu May 07, 2009 12:56 am

It's not really theory, more like technique, but I reckon some basic piano lessons would be super uber cool.

I have no idea about the proper fingering (teehee) of chords or scales - I'm all fingers and thumbs... ha...

So, any piano aficionado's with some good advice to give out there?

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