what happened to freedom?

[metalboxproducts]

There has never been absolute freedom in society - that's what society is... it's a system of rules, attitudes and structures that guide the way we live our lives so that as many of us can live together without constantly having fights or wars. If we all went around doing exactly what we wanted, we'd probably conflict with each other a lot more.

Yeah, it's definitely slid too much in the last few years and things like the amount of CCTV and data collection need to be curbed (and I'd like to see changes in laws to give us freedom in how we treat our own bodies) , but I don't think you can have absolute freedom within a society.... I think the original quote is a bit shortsighted.

Yeah, absolute freedom requires absolute responsibility. Anyway, humans have evolved over many hundreds of thousands years to work together and collaborate for the better of whatever society they inhabit

[alien pimp]

nobody said absolute freedom, just enough freedom to make life enjoyable
some people are not that easy to please like the iPhone fan club

i think what you had in uk not more than 10 years ago was free like a porn carnival compared to what's now

The original poster used the phrase "full dominion over their public and private lives".

I think your statement is true from a lot of angles - however we're actually have a fair bit more freedom to communicate, collude and independently organise ourselves these days - the internet has been a massive boost to freedom all across the globe.

I agree in the main, though, just making a little sanity check.

i think all our capabilities are controlled by them, so the more we think we have more power now it means the more we are under their control
internet wasn't the merit of those who put sites like wikileads on blacklists and who control every bit of information on the wire. internet is the last barricade and it won't last much if people won't fight back for thinking what they live now is better than what it could've been

[magma]

Fair enough - is "freedom" an important value as apposed to happiness though? What if it could be argued that people tend to be happier/satisfied when they're given less options?

I consider myself very lucky to be alive during this time period... I love the freedom (even if it could be argued to be a mirage of freedom) that structures like the Internet offer us. There is still a big enough underground so that I don't really consider myself part of the mainstream, but I still get to benefit from all that society provides - fresh food all the time, a house built for me, a job to go to etc...

Is it inherently negative to restrict the human experience to make it more likely to be positive? Would more people screw up their lives if given enough freedom?

Lots of questions and no absolute answers in a subject like this...

Edit: As an aside, blacklists etc do worry me with regard to the internet. I was pleased to see them made a mockery of during thaqt fiasco with the Scorpions Wiki page earlier in the year - ridiculous. The funny thing about that was that censorship actually led to waaaaayyy more people seeing the inappropriate photo than ever would have otherwise!

[elbe]

I just read throught the first page. I think a lot about this subject and will read the rest later but I want to say this now;


I wish people would sober up before posting rather than subjecting us to thier "shit I am sooooooooo deep dude" rants.

[dr ddd]

freedom's a tricky subject - maybe we should shutdown prisons and let every murderer, peadophile and war criminal out in order to protect their right to freedom?

i think the fundamental right to life comes before freedom.... we still havent resolved that yet as a human race.

[magma]

i think the fundamental right to life comes before freedom.... we still havent resolved that yet as a human race.

[metalboxproducts]

i think the fundamental right to life comes before freedom.... we still havent resolved that yet as a human race.

Sort it out blud Just text im afraid. Was it an image of agreement?

[metalboxproducts]

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seems to be working now hahahaha woops

[metalboxproducts]

Anyway. I like the fact that it's always the same people in there threads. I miss the good conversations. I supposes they can only be maintained for so long though.

[magma]

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seems to be working now hahahaha woops

I sneakily edited it my linkfail at exactly the right moment to make you look daft.

[metalboxproducts]

freedom's a tricky subject - maybe we should shutdown prisons and let every murderer, peadophile and war criminal out in order to protect their right to freedom?

i think the fundamental right to life comes before freedom.... we still havent resolved that yet as a human race.

Erm. It's about moral codes though isn't it? For instance, If some ome goes into a school and kills and rapes the children, they have gone so far off the scale of what is acceptable they forfit the right to freedom. And there isn't and has never been a society that has been that permissive to allow such extreme behavior.

The moral grey area is tricky. War criminals? Who decides whether what they did was wrong or not (Sadam Hussain, Slobidan Millosivic). If you look at their actions they pale in comparison to what sucsessive UK and US government have done throughout the world. Have you ever seen a president or priminister being called up to answer charges of war crimes? No.

[deamonds]

Your country is in dire need of guns and revolutionaries.

you need to step away from your fucking PC, no country is in dire need of guns dickhead. YOUR country needs less patriotic, gun toting fuckheads like yourself

[Dead Rats]

Your country is in dire need of guns and revolutionaries.

you need to step away from your fucking PC, no country is in dire need of guns dickhead. YOUR country needs less patriotic, gun toting fuckheads like yourself

Shit me, that was a bit harsh, wasn't it?

[deamonds]

Your country is in dire need of guns and revolutionaries.

you need to step away from your fucking PC, no country is in dire need of guns dickhead. YOUR country needs less patriotic, gun toting fuckheads like yourself

Shit me, that was a bit harsh, wasn't it?

no it wasnt, hes said idiotic things like this before..

if charlton heston came to me id slap him & piss in his wifes mouth

[Dead Rats]

Your country is in dire need of guns and revolutionaries.

you need to step away from your fucking PC, no country is in dire need of guns dickhead. YOUR country needs less patriotic, gun toting fuckheads like yourself

Shit me, that was a bit harsh, wasn't it?

no it wasnt, hes said idiotic things like this before..

if charlton heston came to me id slap him & piss in his wifes mouth

Well, you could probably do the pissing-in-his-wifes mouth part, and the slapping him, but the part about him coming up to you is a little bit ambitious, since he's dead.

[deamonds]

yea i know, good riddance, but hes the only celeb gun nut i could think of..

oh of course how could I forget, the teen child bearing, rooting tooting fleshwaste herself..Sarah Palin...

[cyberneticghost]

Your country is in dire need of guns and revolutionaries.

you need to step away from your fucking PC, no country is in dire need of guns dickhead. YOUR country needs less patriotic, gun toting fuckheads like yourself

Not every gun owner is an inbred moron.

[elbe]

Your country is in dire need of guns and revolutionaries.

you need to step away from your fucking PC, no country is in dire need of guns dickhead. YOUR country needs less patriotic, gun toting fuckheads like yourself

Not every gun owner is an inbred moron.

wrong

every gun owner is an inbred moron....you would not own a gun otherwise.

In Fact I think everyone who owns a gun should be shot.

[cyberneticghost]

Your country is in dire need of guns and revolutionaries.

you need to step away from your fucking PC, no country is in dire need of guns dickhead. YOUR country needs less patriotic, gun toting fuckheads like yourself

Not every gun owner is an inbred moron.

wrong

every gun owner is an inbred moron....you would not own a gun otherwise.

In Fact I think everyone who owns a gun should be shot.

What is wrong with owning a gun?

[magma]

Your country is in dire need of guns and revolutionaries.

you need to step away from your fucking PC, no country is in dire need of guns dickhead. YOUR country needs less patriotic, gun toting fuckheads like yourself

Not every gun owner is an inbred moron.

wrong

every gun owner is an inbred moron....you would not own a gun otherwise.

In Fact I think everyone who owns a gun should be shot.

What is wrong with owning a gun?

I understand the whole "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument, but honestly, people without guns have a much harder time killing each other.

Someone buying a gun for "protection" would appear to imply that they were willing to contemplate killing other humans.... that pretty much makes them a douchebag.