DUBSTEP LOSING INTEREST...

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:44 am

If you're only buying 1 in 5 releases, it cause there are five times as many releases than there were a few years ago.

You could build a MASSIVE list of pretty much essential tunes released or just played out this year and they would all be so different from each other.

What other genre could boast that?

And if you're bored, listen to something else for a while. Thats what I did and came back hungrier than ever.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:05 am

music is shite. End of.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:05 am

Only kidding....

billy blanks · Post by **billy blanks** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:23 am

pinch needs to be booked for fwd.

then everyone will love everything forever more..amen.

numaestro · Post by **numaestro** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:32 am

imo - there's loads of really good music being produced at the moment - both the established names and new come talent. Some of you guys need to take it a bit more easily - just relax a bit more and enjoy

dirty · Post by **dirty** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:34 am

First off respect to everyone who has offered an opinion.

If people are getting bored with dubstep that probably points to there taste rather than the music getting stale.

Music is all about finding what you like.

This genre is still relatively young with a huge potential, patience is key - good things will come!

If anyone is really not feeling the direction some producers are heading then maybe they should produce themselves and take their own path.

dub boy · Post by **dub boy** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:36 am

elgato wrote:discussion is for idiots

debate is stoopid

music shouldnt be talked about, its for listenin yaknowhatamean

lol, I totally disagree

Half the fun of music (and indeed any form of art) is discussing/argueing/raving about it!!

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:40 am

Joseph-J wrote:If you're only buying 1 in 5 releases, it cause there are five times as many releases than there were a few years ago.

To be honest, I don't even think it's that much looking at it. For the amount of releases that are getting put out (i.e. not that many compared to other genres) and with only a handful of labels runnin tings, I'd assume quality control would be quite high. Seems a lot of folks like toons I don't think that much of but each to their own.

I can almost bet that some of the tunes that folks will use as examples of the great things that are happening in dubstep are the ones that I heard and thought "yeah...and?" about.

Just cause I'm not enthusiastic about every tune put out doesn't mean it's dying though (unless these folks were really relying on me buying my copy), it just means that a lot of the music is moving in a direction that doesn't interest me greatly (as various others have pointed out on this forum and been flamed for having..choke...a difference of opinion).

Seeing as the scene's going worldwide, I doubt my stance on this is going to change things greatly anyway - if you really want to protect something adopt a penguin or something vaguely useful. People do seem to get quite defensive about something that's essentially just down to individual taste.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:45 am

Dub boy wrote:
elgato wrote:discussion is for idiots

debate is stoopid

music shouldnt be talked about, its for listenin yaknowhatamean
lol, I totally disagree

Half the fun of music (and indeed any form of art) is discussing/argueing/raving about it!!

no, its about listening, and thats that. theres no subjectivity, no room for debate, all is black and white

it cant be denied...its truth is self-evident

random trio · Post by **random trio** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:48 am

FullyRecordingz wrote:
listen to garage beats if you want garage
want 4X4? then 4X4 is you...

.

bro u took the words right out of my mouth.

dub boy · Post by **dub boy** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:55 am

elgato wrote:
Dub boy wrote:
elgato wrote:discussion is for idiots

debate is stoopid

music shouldnt be talked about, its for listenin yaknowhatamean
lol, I totally disagree

Half the fun of music (and indeed any form of art) is discussing/argueing/raving about it!!
no, its about listening, and thats that. theres no subjectivity, no room for debate, all is black and white

it cant be denied...its truth is self-evident

nah, I don't agree with that at all

Debate & discussion is integral to all forms of expression inc. music

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:03 pm

elgato wrote:no, its about listening, and thats that. theres no subjectivity, no room for debate, all is black and white

it cant be denied...its truth is self-evident

I hope thats a joke. If its not, its the - with all due respect - stupest thing I've heard all day.

And I've heard a lot of stupid things today.

signus · Post by **signus** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:12 pm

Can't say I think the music is going stale at all. Everyday pretty much I hear a new tune that I love. I'm not too picky when it comes to what tunes I like from a certain genre. If it's well produced I tend to like it within reason obviously. For instance with DnB I hear people slating tunes all the time and slating producers saying they make shite tunes and usually I disagree as I like most aspects of the music, and don't stick to just one type. The same applies to Dubstep, there are so many different styles and I like them all so there is always something new to hear and enjoy

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:15 pm

lol

im sorry, i just get so bored of seeing anything resembling an interesting discussion descend into ppl chatting shit and deriding the idea of debate as a worthwhile enterprise. speaks volumes about the state of play that my comments were taken even slightly seriously

sorry for any alarm i may have caused tho! and it wasnt a malicious joke

musty dust · Post by **musty dust** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:25 pm

I do feel with regards to nights that the same people are being booked too much, even down to people who you would consider playing the same sound on after each other on the same night.

too true i would love to see people like toastyboy, Search and Destroy, Protocol X ect.

but big up bristol nights like noir for brining down Boxcutter, bashout for booking Slaughter Mob and hench for scuba and luke.envoy

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:28 pm

Shonky wrote: Just cause I'm not enthusiastic about every tune put out doesn't mean it's dying though (unless these folks were really relying on me buying my copy), it just means that a lot of the music is moving in a direction that doesn't interest me greatly (as various others have pointed out on this forum and been flamed for having..choke...a difference of opinion).

You know opinions don't count

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:10 pm

ozeb wrote:
boomnoise wrote:for me, in essence, dubstep should be anti-formula - the only real obligatory constituent being sub-bass - the spine on top of which producers should flesh out with varied and innovative ideas.
Agreed - a clean slate with minimal rules... low end frequencies and a skankable bpm range The spectrum of influence that makes up the rest of the canvas is what maintains freshness imo. Sounds pulled from any source with limited restriction. That and sub wave bending is where the innovation lies methinks.

Gotta respect all the producers, DJs, promoters and punters who are keeping it diverse. I like pretty much all the directions that people are taking dubstep in (including the mechanical halfstep wobblers - that stuff fuckin rocks if it's done well), but if it got to the point where every night out consisted of five solid hours of the same thing it'd get pretty boring pretty quickly.

A bit like drum and bass.

rich_c90 · Post by **rich_c90** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:11 pm

i seem to remember something Kode 9 saying about dubstep being a heavy sub and, in a perfect world, anything can go on top of that. i seem to remember agreeing with the sentiment.

but i'm kinda with grevious in that the sound has solidified into the halfstep + warble + dub vocal sample thing (on that point see Rupture's recent post of negrophonic.com/words). Of course, done well (of late, Coki, Caspa) that sound still kills it. But the variety in the big producers is key (e.g. check Mala's housey/techno influences (Left Leg/Hunter/AntiWar), check Loefah's old school 808 hip hop references (Disko Rekah, Its Yours)). Thats why those boys are, to my mind, still the most innovative producers in the scene...

At least we haven't got onto the "is X dubstep or breakstep or techstep" questions...

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:42 pm

I was thinking about this last night, why some people are going on about halfstep and it being a stale sound. Maybe this explanation will help:

When I work on a tune and try and make something distinctly new (a solid drum kit, some new break patterns, some unique synth or some detroyer bass) I really want to get the most out of that sound. SO I will make maybe 3 or 4 tunes with similar ingredients. And I can imagine quite a few other producers do this as well, but also on top of that, not only do you want to make sure you get the most out of a certain sound you make, but also if you are working real hard on developing a style, like working halfstep into your own thing. Then it takes time to develop that style and you may end up with a few tracks that have similar feels to them. There are a fair few tracks about that sound like Earth a Run Red on dub now and that Kalawanji sound is also not a million miles away. I don't think it's the producers sticking to a formula and letting thier style just go stale and not putting the effort in. But rather expanding on that sound and trying to get the most out of it.

A good example that I know personally, is Headhunter for tempa, he has loads of tracks which are all banging, but all have a very similar feel (final cut, arrival etc) but you can hear the latest improvements and evolutions to Tony's sound in his latest beats like Stargate (I think that's the name) and Open Source. Tony is working on 'his' sound, not being complacent, but evolving his style.

Does this make sense?

dub boy · Post by **dub boy** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:52 pm

musty dust wrote:
I do feel with regards to nights that the same people are being booked too much, even down to people who you would consider playing the same sound on after each other on the same night.
too true i would love to see people like toastyboy, Search and Destroy, Protocol X ect.

but big up bristol nights like noir for brining down Boxcutter, bashout for booking Slaughter Mob and hench for scuba and luke.envoy

Do you ever come to Ruffnek Diskotek?

We bring down new, fresh acts every month! This month we have Monkey Steak & After Dark... they don't play out often enough imo hence why we book 'em!

We've already had Scuba down in February and have Milanese & Geiom next month.

Fresh enuf for ya?

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