ok.. why the hate?

brut willis · Post by **brut willis** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:50 am

Matty G, Jus Wan, Djunya, Juju, DJG, Babylon System.... MATTY G MATTY G MATTY G - i try to make him appear by saying his name 3 times -

What an abomination

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:52 am

wooda916 wrote:
Reptilian wrote:to me trolley snatcha, cookie monsta and stenchman bear absolutely no relationship whatsoever to what i originally liked about dubstep

NONE WHATSOEVER - it might as well be a totally different genre of music
what is your opinion of splitting into sub-genres?

used to be against it, but now i think it would be a good plan

especially if the dry teenage wobbly crap could think of a new name for itself and detach itself from dubstep in general

doubt it would want to do that tho as it depends on it for a sense of cool and buzz that it might not generate on its own

after all some of this stuff is about as musically credible as donk

i'm not creating a wobble vs deep argument either - basically i love both

maybe i could sum it up by pointing out that i sincerely doubt that coki or kromestar would call a tune "ginger pubes"

anyone who thinks thats ok could be deported to "new subgenre island"??

dubstee · Post by **dubstee** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:53 am

Brut Willis wrote:Matty G, Jus Wan, Djunya, Juju, DJG, Babylon System.... MATTY G MATTY G MATTY G - i try to make him appear by saying his name 3 times -

What an abomination

But that's not what I was talking about, is it? Read my posts.

brut willis · Post by **brut willis** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:57 am

dubstee wrote:Dubstep in California is an abomination tbh.

perhaps you would like to say it's an abomination to organise dubstep parties in Cali or what. But it's not clear how you wrote it. Sorry if that was what you meant. Anyway, Cali seems to be a good place for music, espcially San Fran

godflesh fiend · Post by **godflesh fiend** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:06 pm

Jus Wan is top notch.

6blocc kicks some major ass too.

USA has some cool producers.

divanrod · Post by **divanrod** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:14 pm

I'd suggest checking out DJG and Jus Wan in the California scene.

some people have strong opinions, some people don't. some people like some sounds, some people don't. some people like certain sounds in a genre, some people don't. Sometimes people within a music scene are satisfied and enjoying an aspect, sometimes people within a music scene aren't satisfied and aren't enjoying an aspect of it. sometimes unity is the answer, sometimes unity isn't the answer. opinions are opinions.

not really a contribution to the discussion specifically but just something i felt like posting.

feral witchchild · Post by **feral witchchild** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:15 pm

The whole Americans ruin ________ thing is retarded.

I mean, for fuck's sake, both the Blackout Crew AND Lady Sov are from the other side of the pond.

I mean, granted, y'all have Burial, DMZ and a few others to make up for it but get real. The vast majority of American AND British music is shit.

godflesh fiend · Post by **godflesh fiend** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:23 pm

divanrod wrote:I'd suggest checking out DJG and Jus Wan in the California scene.

some people have strong opinions, some people don't. some people like some sounds, some people don't. some people like certain sounds in a genre, some people don't. Sometimes people within a music scene are satisfied and enjoying an aspect, sometimes people within a music scene aren't satisfied and aren't enjoying an aspect of it. sometimes unity is the answer, sometimes unity isn't the answer. opinions are opinions.

not really a contribution to the discussion specifically but just something i felt like posting.

Maybe you should've posted that, maybe you shouldn't have.

I'm glad you did post it though......or am I?

Seriously though you can't please everyone wshen it comes down to it, or can you?

I think the only way to please everyone is with releases like the Mala/Coki "Sinners/Goblin".......over the top wobbler on one side and deep than deep on the other!

divanrod · Post by **divanrod** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:43 pm

Coki's an originator and knows how to do heavy tracks that I feel should satisfy many's peoples tastes for takes on dubstep

86. · Post by **86.** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:05 pm

I have no problem with a "wobblefest" if it's well-done. I listen to probably no Caspa....a little Rusko. If it's well done and does something for me (the litmus test is always when I'm drinking) then it's good.

Coki....one of my favourite producers in all music, not just dubstep. Why does Coki generally get a pass as far as mid-range wobble goes? I dunno, did he "create" it? I think to say that is a bit reaching....but when he does it, he does it well. It's genuine. A lot of these other people are not genuine....and some of these other people still make good mid-range wobble.

I dunno....

Mainstream vs Underground dubstep.....LOL.

Is Rusko Dubstep's Soulja Boy lol? I think Rusko makes good music....I also think a lot of this Rusko hate has to do with the fact he decided he wanted to take his sound in a completely next direction, and blew up. I doubt he consciously sat there like "lemme make mad money off this....this is gonna BLOW". He likes his sound, he pushed it, it got big.

Everything has its place. If everything out there was pure sub....there wouldn't be no diversity...and people would be taken that for granted.

To be fair, all the beatport charts/singles or whatever piss me off.

wooda916 · Post by **wooda916** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:54 pm

86 Position wrote:I have no problem with a "wobblefest" if it's well-done. I listen to probably no Caspa....a little Rusko. If it's well done and does something for me (the litmus test is always when I'm drinking) then it's good.

Coki....one of my favourite producers in all music, not just dubstep. Why does Coki generally get a pass as far as mid-range wobble goes? I dunno, did he "create" it? I think to say that is a bit reaching....but when he does it, he does it well. It's genuine. A lot of these other people are not genuine....and some of these other people still make good mid-range wobble.

I dunno....

Mainstream vs Underground dubstep.....LOL.

Is Rusko Dubstep's Soulja Boy lol? I think Rusko makes good music....I also think a lot of this Rusko hate has to do with the fact he decided he wanted to take his sound in a completely next direction, and blew up. I doubt he consciously sat there like "lemme make mad money off this....this is gonna BLOW". He likes his sound, he pushed it, it got big.

Everything has its place. If everything out there was pure sub....there wouldn't be no diversity...and people would be taken that for granted.

good point well made.

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:16 pm

big up rusko!!

big up dmz!!

big up USA!!

big up UK!!

big up worldwide!!

big up teenagers!

big up all frequency!

big up UNDERGROUND U.S. producers!!

YA'LL DUN KNOW!

the US is FAR more influenced by DnB and Hip Hop than Garage/Grime

SORRY

drum syndicate · Post by **drum syndicate** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:19 pm

smog wrote:haha

oh boy

i wouldn't worry about it man. there's always going to be ignorant people out there who don't understand you or your scene. Dubstep in California is quite healthy.

2nded 100%

dreadmc · Post by **dreadmc** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:21 pm

its a shame that there is hate, all about making the scene bigger and being able to hear new material from artists across the globe

drum syndicate · Post by **drum syndicate** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:25 pm

@ dubstee -

so I'm curious about what shows you're attending then.

And if you only like Jus Wan's music I'm really suprised you're not into Djunya or DJG.

But yes... I would like to know promoters and what type of shows you're going to out here.. if it's Norcal or SoCal. The dubstep scene here isn't nearly as large (populationwise) as it is in say... London for example, but we strive to pull solid talent and have a shitload of local talent to choose from to support the out of town headliners.

I'm just trying to see how you call our scene an abomination. You've definitely not been specific enough except for explaining that it's not about the producers at this point.

I throw a show on a regular basis so I would like to get feedback from you as to what's wrong w/ the CA dubstep scene.

.onelove. · Post by **.onelove.** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:30 pm

I think the thing is, 90% of mainstream/commercial music is from the US. And the people who are into the underground DNB/Dubstep scene, largely deteste any of the mainstream chart topping shite. So unfortunately, America is really seen as the 'face' of this type of music, and any American attempt at Dubstep may be seen as pimping out the genre.

Obviously this is wrong, and I realise you guys over there love the underground vibe as much as us, it's just the way I think some people over here interpret it.

And you can't say it doesn't work both way either, loads of Americans bash any UK Hip-Hop, even moreso infact than English bashing US Dubstep.

dubstee · Post by **dubstee** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:35 pm

drum syndicate wrote:@ dubstee -

so I'm curious about what shows you're attending then.

And if you only like Jus Wan's music I'm really suprised you're not into Djunya or DJG.

But yes... I would like to know promoters and what type of shows you're going to out here.. if it's Norcal or SoCal. The dubstep scene here isn't nearly as large (populationwise) as it is in say... London for example, but we strive to pull solid talent and have a shitload of local talent to choose from to support the out of town headliners.

I'm just trying to see how you call our scene an abomination. You've definitely not been specific enough except for explaining that it's not about the producers at this point.

I throw a show on a regular basis so I would like to get feedback from you as to what's wrong w/ the CA dubstep scene.

I have attended various shows in LA and San Fran over the last 3 years. The problem with America generally is that at parties people are VERY much into the big drop, wobble, moshing etc aspect of the music, and in my experience LA and San Fran are the worst in the country for that. Seems like the vast majority of people there come from a rave background rather than clubs, which lends itself to that kind of thing I guess. And it's not to do with the size of the scene, it's what the parties are like. Plus there seems to be a nasty side to the politics over there, lots of people slagging each other off behind their back etc - noticed that quite a lot. Whenever I've been there the scene has just struck me as being quite unhealthy generally. It must be difficult from a promoters perspective because it's obviously hard when there are so few good clubs (and the few good ones are very hard to get I imagine) and the crowd is so single minded.

I know there's a lot of producers and some have been quite successful but IMO there's not much interesting music being made there. Jus Wan has got a lot of potential, not sure why you'd compare him to Djunya and DJG though.

jah wobble · Post by **jah wobble** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:39 pm

dubstee wrote:
drum syndicate wrote:@ dubstee -

so I'm curious about what shows you're attending then.

And if you only like Jus Wan's music I'm really suprised you're not into Djunya or DJG.

But yes... I would like to know promoters and what type of shows you're going to out here.. if it's Norcal or SoCal. The dubstep scene here isn't nearly as large (populationwise) as it is in say... London for example, but we strive to pull solid talent and have a shitload of local talent to choose from to support the out of town headliners.

I'm just trying to see how you call our scene an abomination. You've definitely not been specific enough except for explaining that it's not about the producers at this point.

I throw a show on a regular basis so I would like to get feedback from you as to what's wrong w/ the CA dubstep scene.
I have attended various shows in LA and San Fran over the last 3 years. The problem with America generally is that at parties people are VERY much into the big drop, wobble, moshing etc aspect of the music, and in my experience LA and San Fran are the worst in the country for that. Seems like the vast majority of people there come from a rave background rather than clubs, which lends itself to that kind of thing I guess. And it's not to do with the size of the scene, it's what the parties are like. Plus there seems to be a nasty side to the politics over there, lots of people slagging each other off behind their back etc - noticed that quite a lot. Whenever I've been there the scene has just struck me as being quite unhealthy generally. It must be difficult from a promoters perspective because it's obviously hard when there are so few good clubs (and the few good ones are very hard to get I imagine) and the crowd is so single minded.

I know there's a lot of producers and some have been quite successful but IMO there's not much interesting music being made there. Jus Wan has got a lot of potential, not sure why you'd compare him to Djunya and DJG though.

good observation. promoters and such shedding a positive light on things is good and necessary to keep things going forward, but this is pretty close to the actual facts of the situation afaik.

circadian · Post by **circadian** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:43 pm

Fuck ya on da internetz, my dubstep is da best and my town pwns all y'all dubsteps.

q23 · Post by **q23** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:43 pm

Link or STFU (I'm kidding)

I'd like to see it though.

There used to be people from Detroit I would meet at raves 15 years ago who would say things like this about techno. Like they should have just kept it on lockdown in their city and never let it out so the rest of us would not be in their little 1337 cliche. Like they were the only ones who "knew" about electronic music, and the rest of us were just banging our heads to Whitesnake in the 80s.

ok.. why the hate?

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