#Occupywallstreet >

[gwa]

magma is blatantly in it for the babes.

[kay]

I might go and have my lunch with them later, not sure how my boss would feel about that if she saw me, hah!

Yeah, I've been thinking that every time I go down to St Pauls wearing my suit. Fuck it though... democracy! Go down and say hello... everyone I've spoken to so far has been totally fucking righteous (and some of the girls are deeeelightful!).

I begin to see where I might be missing a trick....

[test_recordings]

I saw on a news reel that the US police is starting to crack down on protests, any leads for reasons?

[pkay]

I saw on a news reel that the US police is starting to crack down on protests, any leads for reasons?

US doesn't need much to say you're breaking some law and give a reason to fuck you up.

The first episode in oakland i heard was a clearout because they were disrupting and intimidating people at city hall (not saying right or wrong just saying what i heard)

Second episode in oakland I heard was because someone threw paint on an officer (which is a big no no in the states.... you sneeze on an officer and they'll justify shooting you)

from there kinda took on a life of its own and just turns into large crowd vs nervous cops

[pkay]

DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with a lot of the points he's attempting to make in this video... infact i think peter schiff is part of the problem in our country, making our financial world and our political world entirely too close. He's playing a lot of devils advocate in this video, and baltantly goes against a lot of my democratic ways (please keep that in mind before you rain hellfire on me in your replies) but I did enjoy watching him engage the protestors. That older lady in the video who keeps spouting rhetoric and won't answer the dudes question is what really annoys me about a lot of my friends and a lot of people involved in this movement right now. They have their talking points but aren't really prepared to have a discussion about the topics at hand.

I'd love to see more of the occupy folks prepared enough to respond to people like this and add some legitimacy to the situation

re disclaimer; I don't agree with this guys comments, but I do enjoy watching the exchange

[ruckus49]

^its just like the tea party, you will only find a small percentage of protesters who have a thorough comprehension of what they're about

[pkay]

^its just like the tea party, you will only find a small percentage of protesters who have a thorough comprehension of what they're about

yeah getting that feeling more and more... which isn't a bad thing. Would love to see the occupy folks get involved in a legit political manner. Would likely be the most effective longrun move and could ultimately get more of our generation involved

[_boring]

why dont u agree with him? i kinda do? but im not well educated on economics.

[_boring]

why dont u agree with him? i kinda do? but im not well educated on economics.

[magma]

^its just like the tea party, you will only find a small percentage of protesters who have a thorough comprehension of what they're about

yeah getting that feeling more and more... which isn't a bad thing. Would love to see the occupy folks get involved in a legit political manner. Would likely be the most effective longrun move and could ultimately get more of our generation involved

I'm a little bit nervous of the movement tying itself to specific policies and goals at the moment, personally... it's not a movement of wannabe politicians, it's a movement of the people expressing exasperation at the choices they're given. We should stay occupying our streets and squares not necessarily until we're given a list of demands like kidnappers receiving a ransom, but when the people who claim to represent us start framing their conversation in terms we understand.

The Overton Window of economic debate is currently somewhere between the opinions of high financiers, the IMF and policians who are in the pockets of high financiers - not a lot of wiggle-room. The people's range of opinions is much more spread out... and we shouldn't leave until we feel better represented. We shouldn't leave until we feel that lessons have been learnt by people on all sides of the debate - interestingly, a lot of the more rabid "SMASH CAPITALISM" protesters have come out of Occupation being much more realistic.

Perhaps a new generation of leaders will emerge from this movement, though I don't see that as the basic aim... the Occupations are currently serving as billboards for the disenfranchised and doing a relatively effective job. We're all talking, the news are all talking... that's an acheivement in itself.

The interesting thing with #occupylsx camping outside a church is that it's shown the CoE has a more natural handle on the debate than Westminster... no parties and very few individual politicians have felt politically able to back the 99% yet, but the church has realised it's relevant enough for people to start properly arguing and even resigning. Interesting times.

[kay]

You could say that the Church might be more politically attuned to your bog standard person than the Government. *shudder*

[magma]

You could say that the Church might be more politically attuned to your bog standard person than the Government. *shudder*

The sad thing is, I think this is probably true. The rest of society has been subconsciously moving itself away from the needs of the "person" in favour of hoping everyone's needs are magically looked after by controlling inflation, interest rates and the value of our currencies... the church is pretty much only interested in humans, it should be their natural position (as per Jesus with the Sermon on the Mount particularly) to be a counterbalance to the pull of capitalism and remind people that there's more to a Nation's happiness than it's standing with the IMF.

Unfortunately, St Pauls seems to be run by an awful lot of people with an awful lot of vested interests, so the progessive Christian message is rather tainted with the classical Capitalist one... I can really sympathise with the position Fraser found himself in. If a boss came at me with a "conflict of interests" argument against my interaction with the protest, I'd argue my case, but I'd possibly end up with a similar decision to make. I believe this campaign is good for my industry in the longterm (no more mass redundancies caused by reckless trading like at Lehman for example), but it's very difficult to convince people around here that I'm not (entirely toothlessly) trying to pull my own career down from the inside.

[wilson]

Seems to get cut off the edges so in case you can't discern what it's saying properly this is the link. Wall Street bites back it seems.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater

[frank grimes jr.]

Run on sentence much?

[magma]

Excellent. They've defended the 1% by saying everything that the 99% hates about the 1%. Gambling isn't anything to base an economy on... those good times are utterly moot BECAUSE of the bad times that simply had to follow.

The finance industry needs an awful lot less people like that within it. Those are the sort of fucks that cost a load of my mates their jobs at Lehman. It's not the gamblers or indeed the house that loses out in a "casino" economy, it's the fucking croupiers and cloakroom attendants.

[kay]

Seems to get cut off the edges so in case you can't discern what it's saying properly this is the link. Wall Street bites back it seems.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater

Excellent means of causing even more polarisation. Whoever's going to profit most from the next crash should give this guy a bonus.

[kingGhost]

"we work hard and we're comin for your landscaping job!!!!!1111"

cept a mexican will do it for even less, good luck with that bro.

i dunno why rich people think they are like magic angels who make the world better by spending a little money here and there. oh sorry, they aren't "the rich" - they're the "job creators."

when the revolution comes i'll use him as a horse. pussy.

[magma]

Preach, brother.

Preach.

[kidshuffle]

Run on sentence much?

[pkay]

^its just like the tea party, you will only find a small percentage of protesters who have a thorough comprehension of what they're about

yeah getting that feeling more and more... which isn't a bad thing. Would love to see the occupy folks get involved in a legit political manner. Would likely be the most effective longrun move and could ultimately get more of our generation involved

I'm a little bit nervous of the movement tying itself to specific policies and goals at the moment, personally... it's not a movement of wannabe politicians, it's a movement of the people expressing exasperation at the choices they're given. We should stay occupying our streets and squares not necessarily until we're given a list of demands like kidnappers receiving a ransom, but when the people who claim to represent us start framing their conversation in terms we understand.

The Overton Window of economic debate is currently somewhere between the opinions of high financiers, the IMF and policians who are in the pockets of high financiers - not a lot of wiggle-room. The people's range of opinions is much more spread out... and we shouldn't leave until we feel better represented. We shouldn't leave until we feel that lessons have been learnt by people on all sides of the debate - interestingly, a lot of the more rabid "SMASH CAPITALISM" protesters have come out of Occupation being much more realistic.

Perhaps a new generation of leaders will emerge from this movement, though I don't see that as the basic aim... the Occupations are currently serving as billboards for the disenfranchised and doing a relatively effective job. We're all talking, the news are all talking... that's an acheivement in itself.

The interesting thing with #occupylsx camping outside a church is that it's shown the CoE has a more natural handle on the debate than Westminster... no parties and very few individual politicians have felt politically able to back the 99% yet, but the church has realised it's relevant enough for people to start properly arguing and even resigning. Interesting times.

I'm speaking about the movement in the USA as its the only portion I've had experience with.... it's still very campy, very unorganized, and poses no political threat to the powers that be, thus no change will result.

Such a shame too. This is one of the few times our generation in the USA has done much to put themselves in a position to be heard and seek out change and they're wasting it. I do hope that some youth leaders emerge out of all this and give this movement some direction and pose a threat to washington. If they do that then the conversation for change can begin.

Martin Luther King Jr was just another dumb colored boy complaining according to our country... but the minute he developed an audience the US government HAD to listen to him.