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Re: WIPs/unfinished tunes for feedback * no finished tunes *

Post by mthrfnk » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:34 pm

@Th3Reindeer Your kick has a very slight little bit of high end that imo needs cutting. The piano work is good musically, what are you using to create the notes though, a synth or samples? Some of the notes seem a little dull. Progression is spot on - the light background stabs are good as is the lead. Two things about your percussion - widen out the high pitched shakers(?) or whatever they are and is your kick sidechained to the background stabs/pads? I feel you need to bring the kick out more. Final tip - you may want to add in some white noise sweeps on your transitions. Good job overall though, nice chilled track.

@SupaRaiden64 Drums sound good. Not sure about your melodies on the intro though - try messing with your note lenghts so it doesn't sound so clunky. Your initial vocal sample at around 0:35 gets a bit muffled by the white noise. Bass is heavy, sounds kinda muddy though - work on cleaning it up and getting the drums to sit well with it. Finish it up :W:

@rayman612 Nice intro, perc and vocals are nice. Really chilled. Not really susre what advice to offer, the arrangement and synths sound good. The mix could do with cleaning up a bit maybe, your kick sounds a little lost - maybe sidechain your pads/lead more? Also yeah, sort out your ending - cut things out a few bars at a time or something?

I posted this a few days ago on the Dubs board but got no replies....
Theres probably a few production errors I haven't picked up on, but this is as much as I want to do to the track at the moment. It's not dubstep, it's not house, idk wtf it is.... :lol:

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Post by Th3Reindeer » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:06 pm

@mthrfunk Thanks a lot for the in depth feedback. I've been making music for a long time only been producing electronic a few months, so I'm a bit lacking on the technical side. By "widening" the shakers does that mean panning them to one side a bit? I wasn't completely sure. and yes, the piano is from a sample, as i dont yet have a good piano synth. it was originally way duller, and i eq'd it to get it where it is now haha. The pads are sidechained but not the mid-range plucky chords or the filtered keys, so maybe I should do that

As for your track, it was really well done. The ONLY thing that bothered me was the tail end of your chord progression. The 4th note that comes into play, specifically, was almost too obvious or something. Personally, I would replace the C# with a G#. Besides that, your vocal sampling was brilliant! commented on your cloud.

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Post by mthrfnk » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:19 pm

Th3Reindeer wrote:@mthrfunk Thanks a lot for the in depth feedback. I've been making music for a long time only been producing electronic a few months, so I'm a bit lacking on the technical side. By "widening" the shakers does that mean panning them to one side a bit? I wasn't completely sure. and yes, the piano is from a sample, as i dont yet have a good piano synth. it was originally way duller, and i eq'd it to get it where it is now haha. The pads are sidechained but not the mid-range plucky chords or the filtered keys, so maybe I should do that

As for your track, it was really well done. The ONLY thing that bothered me was the tail end of your chord progression. The 4th note that comes into play, specifically, was almost too obvious or something. Personally, I would replace the C# with a G#. Besides that, your vocal sampling was brilliant! commented on your cloud.
By widening I meant panning yes, or delay one channel by a few milliseconds to give a wide stereo field. Most DAWs should have a plugin that can also "add stereo"

I'd recommend getting a decent Piano synth, theres a few free one's about too. Also yeh, I'd mess around with sidechaining on your chords and keys, even if it's minimal.

Thanks for the comments on my SC, I'll take a look at my notes - I have no formal musical knowledge so it doesn't surprise me that a note may be off :P
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Post by Attila » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:06 am

@ Tiger Blood
Both parts of the song sound completely disjointed. I'd put some chords for both parts to give the song a stronger backbone. And what's wrong with Live's eq 8? I use it on pretty much everything. An outside plugin is a waste imo. As is I think the track overall just sounds a kinda bare, but I guess that's kinda expected at this point in production haha :)

@ Rayman
Great atmosphere on the track man and love the vocals! Mix sounds really clean through my monitors as well. You said you were stuck on it, so I'd recommend you take the section that starts at 3:04 and have that start at 1:02 instead, then go into the buildup and create an entirely different section to go into after.

@ Mthrfnk
Love the energy you have going on in the drop. Mix sounds good except when the vocals first fade it they kinda clash with everything else, dig the funky bass/synth that I assume was part of the song they were sampled from? The only thing is that because the drop is so fun and energetic, the intro/buildup seems a little too slow for me. Maybe through an arpeggio or something over it to bring the energy up!

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Post by ScarletCyanide » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:46 pm

@Attila: When the drum's stop being low passed, the kick needs to be louder / more punchy and the snare needs bringing up a tad in my opinion along with the hats haha, the drop sounds filthy, and IMO I wouldn't end the song like that, i'd have it fade out slowly, but that might just be me, good song overall! Maybe more 'wubs' scattered throughout, but otherwise, nice work!

@Th3Reindeer: Similar to what mthrfnk said, not too keen on the dirtier bass sitting in there at the beginning, feel it could fit better IMO, but when everything starts coming together, it sounds good, really liking the bit just before the drop and the drop isn't bad either! Maybe add a small bit of filtering / reverb onto that lead synth, too have it less sitting on it's own, if you know what I'm saying haha... Love the vocal sample, can't help but think you should have an actual Amen break after he says that, then go into the song, but otherwise nice!!

@Mthrfnk: Really digging the intro and your drums sound fucking sick, that effect at 0:40 is sweet as well! at 1:28 when it kicks in it sounds so sweet, I really don't know what too suggest other than that haha, good job man!


Now for me haha, this is a song that hasn't been mixed yet (I'm using shitey headphones, so I'd like opinions on what I need to do mixing wise through your systems) and also what you think of the actual song! :)

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Post by mthrfnk » Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:39 pm

Thanks for the feedback everyone, @attila which one of my tracks was that feedback for?

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@ScarletCyanide Intro sounds good, bass is ncie and deep. I like the vocal hits. The percussion is good, maybe the snare needs to come up a bit in the mix and the kick and bass need eq'ing together - perhaps sidechaining? Nice glitchy stuff @2:00. Breakdown is cool man, love the Harry Potter stuff, but the YOI at 2:50 needs bringing down into the mix :P The structure and sounds overall remind of a bit of KTN's stuff. Cool tune.

@Attila Intro reminds me of Skrillex - Equinox, not sure how you'll take that :P Sounds ncie though. Drums are pretty sweet. One thing I'd look at is maybe centering the piano slightly when the synth comes in as both sound to be panned wide. I'd also bring up the vocals. Drop is brutal man, this would totally go off in a club :P You need to finish the end though man - cuts out too soon, fliter everything down imo.

Okay here's a new track I made as an introduction to a little EP I'm attempting to make (the track I posted above is the outro track :D), it's not dubstep - pretty chilled stuff at @110bpm.

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Post by Mexztah » Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:51 pm

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Post by Mexztah » Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:01 pm

@mthrfnk I love the chilled ambience in this, I think maybe varying the violin around a little bit might give it some more "flavour" doesnt exactly need it though IMO, just something you might want to try, I think you might want to bring your kick out a little more too

@ScarletCyanide That was the most jokes sampling ive heard in a while, :lol: but you should deffo bring the kick out a lot, i could barely hear it in the mix and i think some varying on the they synths might be pretty cool, some different chord progressions and notes, you should also think about bringing the hats out more and making them shine through, right now they seem a bit too far back in the mix

@Attila I love the filtered piano chords for the opening and how the lead is brought in, theres not much i can really say that hasnt already been said, but you should really bring in that drop, make the place explode
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Post by kryptik » Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:36 pm

@ mthrfnk - I'm loving the track upto now, i like the dark pads an beats on the intro, then it goes into a chilled type of track, it has a nice flow to it an i like the sounds you used, just a suggestion at around 1.48 when those plonky sounds come in, you could probably try a tribal type of beat.

@ Arvis - i think the 8bit sounds at the begginig are lacking something perhaps you could try using a Reverb to make it sound more echoe an wet. Or you could try panning them left to right, might make them stand out more. Also try using something at the beggining you could use some percussion or use a highhat or something but im loving the dirty Wobbles in the track, an the grimey basses.

@ Tiger blood you could try an use some better Arps at the beggining an have some arps on the offbeat might make it sound more trancey but it would sound alot better, perhaps make the bass faster aswell, would sound alot better. Also it needs some more FX in, probably some at the beggining an some towards the end like a build up type of FX to help the build up sound better for the Drop...

These are my first reviews an i cannot really give any better feedback as im using a pair of sennheiser earphones at the moment :

Heres my tracks WIP's, i just need feedback on the first one, what can i add in it to make it better, it's lacking something but i dont know what, thanks an the second one, thanks alot people :

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Post by HEATA » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:21 pm

@mthrfnk: sick chill vibez...maybe add a delay on the last snare of every 8th(?) unit..not sure if i said that right but anyways dope...gonna follow now

@Mexztah- tight shit bruv.maybe add some sweeps and shit in the background to give it that breathing feeling

@Kryptic- maybe layer that intro synth and on the second layer, move it a millisecond or so to the right to give it a wider phasey feel...also pan layer 1 to the left and pan layer two to the right..this will make it sound way more live (IMO)
Would like to know what people think of this...this is my first attempt using sidechain and im not sure if i used it properly lol..i sidechained the kick to my main wub for now...is that what you wanna do? I havent added my any real sub bass yet and i have heard of sidechaining the drums to that...lemme know what yall think!
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Post by alexeyhermann » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:54 pm

Mexztah -not-like-that-free-320 nice one, I have nothing to suggestreally ) I like everything there is nothing out of the picture

ScarletCyanide - your tune is generally good, it needs more eqing, I would advise you to install iZotop Ozone, it will help to monitor the levels of each instrument, also go to the MONEYSHOT thread on this forum and read it, everything YOU need to know is writen there. all I can say your tune lacks high frequencies its a common mistake , good luck , keep up the good practice !

Attila - I like your tune its well mixed and the usage of different sounds is cool too, in my opinion the only problem there its that its not really catchy, it is heavy and sounds good, but not as good as it coud be the rythm changes in every bar and I dont get the melody in betweens these are mainly two problems, as for the rests its really cool , try to combine the melody and the heavy part, thats what I would try to do. Hope you'll give me an advice on how you achieved that sound )))

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Post by filtersnake » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:39 pm

@alexeyhermann: Nice tune man! got a good flow going on, I like some of the 'wonkiness' of the bassline. :W: got some sick percussion/incidental sounds which I love! to make it cleaner maybe cut everything that's above 18khz? and under 30hz? if you haven't done that already.
@ kryptik: Liking the errie kind of synth with the build up (very Subscape!) maybe play around with the stereo width of your track. Have some of the percussion panned out and other little incidentals that could 'fill' out the sound. lots of plugins and ways you can do it. A quick search will help you :) I do think the drop needs to hit harder when it does come in. Concentrate on getting that first synth/bass sounding HENCH buddy!
@mthrfnk: Sounding epic man. love the background orchestral bits. what vst instruments do you use for that? If it was an intro maybe cut it so its a bit shorter, but that probably just personal preference. Mix sounds clean. good stuff. let me know when it's done :W:
@ Attila: cool progressions going on with the intro melody. the drop hits hard and you've got some interesting sounds going on, maybe add some more of the melody from the intro/build up. Like someone else said i dont think that should end the song. Maybe a slight restructure would help. My advice would be to start the song at the 0.27 part, build it up - drop - and repeat it from the beginning again so people can go crazy twice ;-)

Ok my first proper song where I had someone sing on one of my tunes. So any advice regarding how to fit them into tunes properly would be awesome :) Feedback as always is always appreciated and I will try and return the favour ASAP

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Post by jclarkeiv » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:50 pm

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@Th3Reindeer: Track sounds very happy, I wish there was more bass though, not through the whole track but maybe one section or something with some heavier bass. (not really sure if heavy bass is normal in prog house though, don't really listen to much of it afaik) Also I have a yamaha s80 synth that has some really nice sounding pianos, if you want to pm me I could bounce your midi through my synth and send you the audio back.
@mthrfnk: left some feedback on your sc, The only thing is the lead seems a little repetitive in some parts. The water at the end is excellent.
@Attila: I really like the syncopation in your track, not a huge fan of claps but thats a personal preference on my part. The drop is pretty sweet, though I would consider changing up the drums some they get a little repetitive there.

Since everyone else is posting upbeat stuff here is my latest WIP. There are a few parts where the highs are a little loud, I am working on fixing that. Any input would be really appreciated. Also if someone could tell me what genre it might fall under that would be great. It is kind of house ish I guess.
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Post by nixxu » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:58 pm

Hey guys, pretty new here but i've got a tune that me and a friend are working on, would like some feedback! Only basic mixing made, second part of first drop and we are going to work more on the intro aswell!

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Post by mthrfnk » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:17 pm

kryptik wrote:@ mthrfnk - I'm loving the track upto now, i like the dark pads an beats on the intro, then it goes into a chilled type of track, it has a nice flow to it an i like the sounds you used, just a suggestion at around 1.48 when those plonky sounds come in, you could probably try a tribal type of beat.
Thanks man. As for your track - Intro's a bit weird, but your lead synth that comes in is pretty cool. Drums are pretty tight but the drop needs more impact. I'd also play with the panning of your synths in the intro.
Mexztah wrote:@mthrfnk I love the chilled ambience in this, I think maybe varying the violin around a little bit might give it some more "flavour" doesnt exactly need it though IMO, just something you might want to try, I think you might want to bring your kick out a little more too
Thanks I'm thinking about filtering the strings in and out and cutting the track down, should get rid of the repetitiveness.
Your trck isn't online?
HEATA wrote:@mthrfnk: sick chill vibez...maybe add a delay on the last snare of every 8th(?) unit..not sure if i said that right but anyways dope...gonna follow now
I'll try that out. Thanks for the follow.
As for your track - Intro is quite cool, drums come through nicely, although I'm not too keen on your bass sounds - just not my sort of thing. Everything sounds nice and clean though - maybe raise your snare a bit and give it some more punch?
filtersnake wrote: @mthrfnk: Sounding epic man. love the background orchestral bits. what vst instruments do you use for that? If it was an intro maybe cut it so its a bit shorter, but that probably just personal preference. Mix sounds clean. good stuff. let me know when it's done :W:
Thanks man - I use Orchestral (www.roland.com/products/en/HQ-OR/)
I was thinking about cutting it down tbh, the strings drag on too long.
As for your track - I hear a High Rankin sample in the intro :P Sounds sweet man tbh, drums sound good too. The vocals sit pretty well, got kind of a ghostly feel. In fact the vocals are sweet, just need raising slightly. Not too sure about the drop - it all gets a little messy, I completely lost the drums. You've got some good ideas, just work on getting everything mixed right and maybe cut down on how much is going on at once.
jclarkeiv wrote: @mthrfnk: left some feedback on your sc, The only thing is the lead seems a little repetitive in some parts. The water at the end is excellent.
Thanks man, I get what you mean but it's an outro track so I think I'm gonna leave it :P
As for your track - Pretty grungy intro, your drums need rasing a lot and I'd ease down the panning. The little breakdown is pretty cool, got some nice ideas just work on your mixing. As for genre - it sounds pretty Industrial, just minus guitars :P
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Post by jclarkeiv » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:01 pm

Thanks for the feedback mthrfnk, I axed the panning on the drums wich helped bring up their presence. Panned some of the other sounds a bit and worked on the mix some. I'd say mixing is my skill most in need of improvement. updated the track in my post if anyone wants to listen to the changes.

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Post by Mexztah » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:06 pm

mthrfnk wrote:
Mexztah wrote:@mthrfnk I love the chilled ambience in this, I think maybe varying the violin around a little bit might give it some more "flavour" doesnt exactly need it though IMO, just something you might want to try, I think you might want to bring your kick out a little more too
Thanks I'm thinking about filtering the strings in and out and cutting the track down, should get rid of the repetitiveness.
Your trck isn't online?
Sorry man, i had it marked as private, if you have time, check it out and throw in some feedback
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Post by subfect » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:45 pm

@Th3Reindeer - really agree with what mthrfnk said. Take a little bit of the high end off the kick. This tune reminds me of really old house (say early 90s), lots of memories coming up. haha. Progression is good, but can't help but feel that some of the elements need to be brought up a bit in volume.
@mthrfnk - Yeah I don't know what that is either. Sounds like dubstep but too slow. 130? Overall (if I'm going to be 100%) honest - I found the tune rather boring, and it had nothing to do with the bpm. Those vocal chops are wicked and I think you should work through them a bit more. Moreover, the note progression just doesn't "fit" with me, personally - but it might work for others so not sure. I don't think the snare fits at all. Structure overall however is really good, your mixdown (despite being done on headphones) is actually quite good.
@Attila - tbh I really liked your long introduction and thought that was going to be continued. It sounded different, original - really liked it. Structure is really good, the arps are well wicked and nice synth choice. The distortion on your bass I think sets the wrong tone compared with the introduction, but perhaps that's intentional? I disagree with ScarletCyanide's point about kick needing to be louder. Imho it sits exactly where it needs to, but probably just a tad more eq to make it more present.
@ScarletCyanide - really nice concept. I'm not huge on the brostep movement anymore (which is where I would put this track), but the dark melodies and progression and that beeping bassline sounds really good imho. When mixdowns, I don't know why people use the concept of headphones as a counter - you can easily do it visually. Obviously a good setup helps, but you can do basic stuff without. I know of producers who do mixdowns on laptop speakers :P On that note though, I'd be taking a dip at the 500hz mark, it's sounding slightly muddy and your synths need some more weight to fill up the spectrum. Don't be afraid to create duplicate copies and shift them up or down an octave and change the waveforms.
@mexztah - sounding pretty good tbh, really love that pad. Your drums need a bit more oomph, try upping the volume on both the snare/rimshot and the kick by 2-3dbs, and look at layering some other samples with your snare. Definitely needs "more".
@alexeyhermann - Got yourself what could turn into a party anthem here, mate. Your drop needs some work though, it's like the bass and everything else is too late. Tbh it sounds pretty clean, but I reckon you could kill the bitcrushing on it, and the bass would fit a lot better with the vocals. Also look at a different sample choice for the snare(s), as it lacks the ability to really cut through, and this is due to a really solid amount of high-end (bright) frequencies. Kick fits well imho, but one thing I've found works really well is by layering a hat with it :)
@filtersnake - Nicely mixed, great synth use and the vocals are dope as. Nice find for the vocalist :) You've mixed her in quite well but I think her voice could do with a little more presence, especially in the intro. bit-reduced synths are also really nice, great contrast to the more smooth-sounding elements. One idea - try dropping some of the synths when you start building that snare for the drop, it'll give the snare more space and those few seconds before the drop a lot more power. The drop... can't agree with at all. I think you got that one wrong - but that's just a subjective view so take it with a grain of salt :) That drum roll towards the end of the first 8 bars is nice.
@jclarkeiv - too much low-pass filtering and way too muddy. I'd start with that. Take a nice chunky dip at around 500hz, and don't be so heavy on the lp filters :P

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Post by nixxu » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:09 pm

Hey again guys, sorry for being quick with the posting, I'll give some feedback tomorrow since I'm going to sleep right now.
Didn't read the rules thoroughly enough haha..

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Post by nixxu » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:01 pm

@filtersnake Some really nice ideas in here, i like the structure and the intro is pretty awesome, apart from i think everything sounds to wet, drenched in reverb which makes everything sound a bit muddy tbh. The drop is interesting but also a bit muddy, too much going on at the same time, difficulties distinguishing each sound on its own, you can hear it is there but still it is missing some eqing and perhaps stereoplacement. The snare is a bit thin aswell imo, try to layer it or go for eqing, anything that will make it a bit "phatter" other than that, good job, interesting to listen to with some minor hickups!

@jclarkieiv the drums in the beginning have some odd behaviour of changing volume throughout the progression? Sounds really strange tbh. Some heavy distortion on some of the sounds too i think, i would say lay that of a bit, will make it sound less messy imo. The bassline is in need of some definition, now it is mostly bass and some tonal characters coming through, i would like some more highs and definition on the sound, otherwise interesting bassline!

@subfect wow this is clean, im not a big fan of claps so i would prefer a snare, but thats personal haha, i find the decay on the reverb a bit too long for the clap too.. Also a matter of taste i guess. Extremely interesting and eerie sounds, you have really developed a "vibe" with this track. The bassstabs are amazing, just clean (very clean) sub. Nice work on the drums, clean and so on, but there isnt too much going on so you can sense the "space" in the mix, good work with the reverbs aswell. Overall really good job!

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